Even when leaving out gun homicide, US homicide rate still higher than other advanced nations

I decided to make a small research to find out, what is the homicide rate in different countries, when gun crime is not taken into account.

I took two articles in Wikipedia to make the comparison. 'I decided to take into account largest nations in Europe and Nordic nations.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

From the first article, I took only homicides into account leaving out suicides, unintentional, undetermined.
From the second article I took into account the intentional homicide part.

Then I made a comparison between those two, comparing the difference of intentional homicides made with guns and total homicides. The results can be seen in the following table.



What is surprising for me is the fact, that the homicide rate with other weapons of choice is still higher in the US compared to other advanced nations (except France). Homicides with firearms make up nearly 75% of total US homicide rate, which is over 3 times higher than in other advanced nations, although even without it, the murder rate with other weapons is still higher compared to other nations.

What causes such high murder rates in the United States, even when gun crime is not taken into account? What is the cause behind such a high violence?

a reply to: Cabin


Massive cultural issues within inner city communities.. Statistics for years have shown this yet it is a topic which for some reason is swept under the carpet time and time again.

This was more of a racial discussion than a murder/gun issues however the subject is covered and I believe it does cover a good portion of what you talk about..

Over to Ben





RA

We're NOT that "advanced" anymore.

The GOP is hell-bent on turning America into a third world hellhole, populated by MORONIC neckbeards who "hail corporate".

a reply to: Cabin

America's history can be traced back to wars, genocide, slavery, war and more wars.
maybe that has something to do with it.

the real culprit is England, they should have sent their best to colonize, not the ones who wanted to branch away from the crown. those should have stayed, and the monarch should have migrated to the Americas.

imagine the world if that was the case!

a reply to: odzeandennz

We sent our worst for a reason religious fanatics.
Odd how it worked the other way around with the Aussies.
They turned out fine.

originally posted by: DanteGaland
We're NOT that "advanced" anymore.

The GOP is hell-bent on turning America into a third world hellhole, populated by MORONIC neckbeards who "hail corporate".

Your partisan nonsense is just that.

What towns and cities in America most resemble 3rd world hell holes and which party runs the local governments in those locations? Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Detroit, Trenton.

Which parties constituents riot, loot, burn and destroy their own neighborhoods so they look like warzones in 3rd world hell holes?

Which party worships at the alter of Apple, Google, Microsoft?
Hail corporate?

And I'm not even a republican, but you leftists are so delusional it's stunning.

a reply to: watchitburn

Ever been to ALABAMA....?

www.newsweek.com...

*grumbling* Or Mississippi ...

originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: watchitburn

Ever been to ALABAMA....?

www.newsweek.com...

*grumbling* Or Mississippi ...

Cant count Alabama as they were ruled by the Dixiecrats fighting integration and equality for decades...

originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: watchitburn

Ever been to ALABAMA....?

www.newsweek.com...

*grumbling* Or Mississippi ...

Slow down there, hoss.

We're doing fine here. Well, except for Birmingham, it's a real sh##hole.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: odzeandennz

We sent our worst for a reason religious fanatics.
Odd how it worked the other way around with the Aussies.
They turned out fine.

Because the ones that went to Australia were convicts and

not religious zealots.

originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: watchitburn

Ever been to ALABAMA....?

www.newsweek.com...

*grumbling* Or Mississippi ...

You blame Republicans, then use an article which discusses 2 Alabama counties, one of which is heavily Democrat run ( 75%+ ), and the other which is evenly split.

They're hardly 3rd world, some areas were just cherry-picked.

You see, I live less than 30 minutes from each of those places, and they're not 3rd world. Some people just refuse to fix their own problems, and rely upon government to do it for them.

Concerning the OP, the problems with crime in the U.S. can directly be traced to a lack of home training and personal responsibility.

We have all these rights and freedoms here, but there are inherent responsibilities to exercise those rights correctly, and that is not being taught.

a reply to: Cabin

Ok...your problem is that in the US suicide is classified as homocide.

Your gonna have to wash your stats down to get a same/same comparison.

originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: watchitburn

Ever been to ALABAMA....?

www.newsweek.com...

*grumbling* Or Mississippi ...

Southern bigotry may be en vogue, but it still doesnt make you look good.

originally posted by: Cabin
I decided to make a small research to find out, what is the homicide rate in different countries, when gun crime is not taken into account.

I took two articles in Wikipedia to make the comparison. 'I decided to take into account largest nations in Europe and Nordic nations.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

From the first article, I took only homicides into account leaving out suicides, unintentional, undetermined.
From the second article I took into account the intentional homicide part.

Then I made a comparison between those two, comparing the difference of intentional homicides made with guns and total homicides. The results can be seen in the following table.

What is surprising for me is the fact, that the homicide rate with other weapons of choice is still higher in the US compared to other advanced nations (except France). Homicides with firearms make up nearly 75% of total US homicide rate, which is over 3 times higher than in other advanced nations, although even without it, the murder rate with other weapons is still higher compared to other nations.

What causes such high murder rates in the United States, even when gun crime is not taken into account? What is the cause behind such a high violence?

People suck, if you haven't noticed.

Take out suicides, what do you get?

My BIL shot himself in the head, His sister hung herself after her husband died from hantavirus.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Cabin

Ok...your problem is that in the US suicide is classified as homocide.

Your gonna have to wash your stats down to get a same/same comparison.

No it isn't.

originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: watchitburn

Ever been to ALABAMA....?

www.newsweek.com...

*grumbling* Or Mississippi ...

Someone say Alabam?!

a reply to: eletheia

I wish my ancestors were crooks AHH the sunshine we did the Aussies a favour.
Back to the op how many of those deaths are gang related?. It would be interesting to see if it is a lot or not.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Let me quote his wiki source

The legal definition of "intentional homicide" differs among countries.

To continue by cross referencing
dictionary.law.com...

Suicide is a homicide, but in most cases there is no one to prosecute if the suicide is successful. Assisting or attempting suicide can be a crime.

It may not be murder...but it absolutely is homicide. At least it us to the folks who compiled the numbers the op is using.