Why is everyone talking about the NRA and guns but not big pharma and psychotropic drugs?

a reply to: Allaroundyou

Most doctor's just prescribe you what you tell them to. You don't even get basic analysis or involvement that's what the majority of people are experiencing unless they can afford a really good doc who cares.

It's so much easier to blame the NRA and video games/movies than it is to look at the number of people being doped to the gills with anti-anxiety and anti-depressives. How many kids are being put on ADD/ADHD meds now even when the diagnosis is not even universally accepted to be the real deal? How many kids are being falsely diagnosed just because they're higher energy kids with insatiable curiosity and teachers/parents just can't deal with it?

Docs are even putting people trying to stop smoking on anti-depressives.

Don't worry. We'll go through another bout of Hilary-escque hand wringing over video games and how they're ruining children the world over, but parents feeding their kids huge amounts of processed garbage and mind altering meds will be swept under the carpet. As per usual.

a reply to: toysforadults

It happens that way because someone wants it to happen that way

Why is everyone talking about any of it? Partly because a school shooting happened but mostly because the media is forcing the narrative down our throats. This has long passed being about the victims and has turned into a political # show. Both sides are trying to use the tragedy for political gain and that's the saddest and most tragic part of the aftermath in my opinion.

That's probably going to be an unpopular opinion but oh well.

Why is everyone talking about the NRA and guns but not big pharma and psychotropic drugs?

Because banning guns is part of the Globalist agenda and so is making money off of a sick and unhealthy population.

a reply to: toysforadults

One topic at a time. The conversation about mass shootings just got started for the first time.

I said this before.

If you want the swamp drained you need to drain the whole thing not just the bits you don’t like. The NRA are as much part of that swamp as any of the other lobbies and it’s about time they were all stripped of their lobbying power.

J Royal Society of Medicine 2016
"Antidepressants double the occurrence of events in adult healthy volunteers that can lead to suicide and violence.

While it is now generally accepted that antidepressants increase the risk of suicide and violence in children and adolescents (although many psychiatrists still deny this), most people believe that these drugs are not dangerous for adults. This is a potentially lethal misconception."

but mental health and prescribing is the same between the US and the rest of the world

Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and Mental Health2008

"The annual prevalence of any psychotropic medication in youth was significantly greater in the US (6.7%) than in the Netherlands (2.9%) and in Germany (2.0%). Antidepressant and stimulant prevalence were 3 or more times greater in the US than in the Netherlands and Germany, while antipsychotic prevalence was 1.5-2.2 times greater. The atypical antipsychotic subclass represented only 5% of antipsychotic use in Germany, but 48% in the Netherlands and 66% in the US. The less commonly used drugs e.g. alpha agonists, lithium and antiparkinsonian agents generally followed the ranking of US>Dutch>German youth with very rare (less than 0.05%) use in Dutch and German youth. Though rarely used, anxiolytics were twice as common in Dutch as in US and German youth. Prescription hypnotics were half as common as anxiolytics in Dutch and US youth and were very uncommon in German youth. Concomitant drug use applied to 19.2% of US youth which was more than double the Dutch use and three times that of German youth."

Between 2004 and 2012, there have been 14,773 reports to the U.S. FDA's MedWatch system on psychiatric drugs causing violent side effects including: 1,531 cases of homicidal ideation/homicide, 3,287 cases of mania & 8,219 cases of aggression. Note: The FDA estimates that less than 1% of all serious events are ever reported to it, so the actual number of side effects occurring are most certainly higher.

cchrint.org

The reason is because antidepressants and ADHD meds don't make people go into schools and commit mass murder.


Also this:

"Antidepressants double the occurrence of events in adult healthy volunteers that can lead to suicide and violence."


So where it says in 'adult healthy volunteers'? These medications prescribed properly to people with genuine medical problems do not lead to suicide an violence.

Maybe if you hop up a normal healthy person on ADHD meds they go a little manic, you'd expect that. But a normal healthy person shouldn't be prescribed ADHD meds.


And anti-depressants certainly don't make people violent.

a reply to: Painterz

The reason is because antidepressants and ADHD meds don't make people go into schools and commit mass murder.

Guns do?

"Protecting your right to bear arms" is simply news-speak for "Ensuring profits for gun/ammo manufacturers".

Again - pharma is the elephant in the room. As evidenced by this thread and others currently active on ATS, any time the drug-connection is brought up in regards to shootings, the conversation is quickly redirected to talking about guns. You know...just like the MSM

And here's another thing you Politards can't seem to grasp.
When a shooting occurs, there is no check on either the assailant's or victim's political affiliations or party registrations. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
This problem is global. It doesn't pick sides. Can't you even question why whatever news source you follow always tries to make it the fault or consequence of 1 side or another?
Does blamestorming fix anything. Does assigning responsibility or pointing fingers do anything to prevent or save lives or is it just to make yourself feel a little better? Make you feel like you belong to something. Like you have something in common with others. Like it was your choice to subscribe to the directions and concepts pushed on you by someone you'd never met?

Some people have nothing better to do but to obsess over civil rights organizations.

If they wanted to make a real difference, they should go after the Orgs like SPLC and others who spread their hate filled lies like a disease.

Here is what an actual anti-gun "activist" said to me

I am of the opinion

that anybody who wants to own an assault rifle is mentally ill and therefore ineligible to own any firearm.

Sure, great concept. Like I've said before, go right ahead and criminalize the heavily armed ex-military/ex-LE multi-million person population that is the AR-15/firearms community. Go ahead

Or you can take the advice of Shannon Watts (I wouldn't either)

“This is like inviting tobacco lobbyists to explain to kids who have lost loved ones to lung cancer how we can prevent smoking deaths. Lobbyists don’t deserve a seat at this table.”

Who actually believes it is even half-intelligent to debate firearms policy without any gun people present. This is how GCA/NFA and virtually every other single law is ineffective or has loopholes. Because people writing the laws know nothing/little about what they're legislating (or why they're legislating, usually, I'd love to see mandatory IQ test for congress............). Who's going to speak for the vast community of firearms owners? It sure as #### won't be Shannon Watts. Now, Dana Loesch? That's a name I could get behind.

anti depressants work.

he smiled during the whole rampage.

a reply to: TXRabbit


Sure, but without those manufacturers, we'd have no easy access to firearms. We'd have to build them and things like that. Or pay exorbitant prices on the black/grey markets. Not a good thing, not when I can go and pick up an AR-15 for ~$500.00 right now. Can't beat that.

Free market. Capitalism. There are countries without a free market though, would anyone be interested in a list of them? "Safer" countries.

a reply to: toysforadults

I’m beginning to think that every industry that is typically owned and run by “conservative” minded people is being attacked by the left in a bid to sway public opinion away from these industries.

Lets talk about global warming. Conservatives typically own , coal, natural gas, gasoline, nuclear energy. The global warming scare could just be a tactic from the left to change that power structure and remove funding for conservative groups.


Lets talk about food and farming. Cattle and crops are Typically owned and run by conservatives. The talking points from the left seem to demonize farming and pretty much all food is seen as poison unless it comes from some hippy farm and is sold by whole foods.


Guns. The conservatives build and sell them. The NRA funnels money to conservative campaigns.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Sounds like something worth thinking about.

Hmmm. Seems a little weird right. The Dem's seem to be heavy on the attack of the NRA... would it have something to do with campaign contributions?

Nobody wants to confront the Guns-Drugs connection. This is why we need to update nomenclature, replacing "military-industrial" with "pharmaco-military-industrial".

a reply to: toysforadults

I've been consistently citing these drugs all across ATS as the root problem of these mental issues that cause people to shoot up places.

People are talking about it, just no one is listening because it's not nearly as sexy a topic as screaming about the black scary rifle that people have been conditioned to fear.

On the flip side, people have been conditioned to trust medication and their doctors with their lives, so it's a much harder discussion for most people to have, let alone accept.

Let the amount of pages that this thread goes versus one's about gun control be an indicator as to how many people actually care about the foundational issue.

Why are not we talking about the voices themselves? Being I know they are not schizophrenia. Cruz said his voices told him to do it. So..man behind the curtain.