Well.....Told you so.

a reply to: seagull

Context is everything.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

I even wrote a thread on it a few days ago.

When you ignore the context, then it becomes police-state-thought-crime.

Bad taste?

Sure.

But bad taste is only illegal on red carpets in Hollywood.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: DBCowboy

You're not seriously comparing this with being a dick online considering the timing?

No, but I'll send a bar of slippery soap

When are school shooting threats not disturbing and 'timely' to current events? School shootings happen all the time, now. There was one in January, too.

Why was Nikolas Cruz's youtube threat so not-timely as to make it acceptable that LE and the FBI did not take effective action?

ETA: I mean, people should be treated equally in the justice system. Either arrest them all or none.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I disagree.

I hate to think that this will be normalized.

a reply to: JinMI

No. But are you going to attempt to tell me that they shouldn't have checked it out? That statement, as I said, in and of itself is nothing. In and of itself, a picture of an AR15 is nothing.

To put the two together, after past events, not just the most recent? They can not ignore that. I'd hate to be the one who decided to ignore it, than have the ass do something like a school shooting. Not sure I could live with that on my conscience.

Should charges have been levied? I don't know. I got the distinct impression that there were other causes for concern, as well...

a reply to: seagull

I'm not claiming anything of the sort. This is most certainly worth of an investigation, even a knock on his door.

By your own (and my) admission, we don't know if he should have been brought up on charges. That is enough for pause...and a posting!

I'm taking this story at face value from the article.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Why was Nikolas Cruz's youtube threat so not-timely as to make it acceptable that LE and the FBI did not take effective action?

Damned if I know. They should have acted would be response. They messed up badly and admitted it.

Do you think it was wrong to arrest the person this thread is about?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: seagull

Context is everything.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

I even wrote a thread on it a few days ago.

When you ignore the context, then it becomes police-state-thought-crime.

Bad taste?

Sure.

But bad taste is only illegal on red carpets in Hollywood.

I meant to follow up on that thread and suggest that law enforcement should have asked Cruz what his intent was with his youtube comment. He may have answered, or not. He may have been truthful, or not.

But, since words can be a weapon when intended...it seems reasonable that threatening words sometimes warrant questions about the intent of them.

originally posted by: neo96

Chief Dan Shiner said, “We don’t know if this post was meant as a joke or if he really planned to go to a school with a gun.

They didn't know, but arrested him anyway.

Seems to me if your going to arrest someone better be damn sure.

An arrest is simply that...he is being detained to see how credible the threat is/was. If there is enough evidence, it will be presented to a judge or grand jury.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I think each and every person who made a social media threat (specific or not) warranted a visit from law enforcement to question what their intent was.

If law enforcement felt an arrest was warranted and the threat violated any laws...then I agree with the arrest.

It's illegal to make even false threats involving bombs, guns, etc... in many states. And if threats tie up law enforcement time/resources or cause schools to be evacuated or closed...that's typically illegal, too.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Speech is protected, not so you can verbally assault anyone you choose, but to insure that you can voice an opinion or fact regardless of who it offends. Speech can be many things that are not protected, even treason

a reply to: DBCowboy

Indeed. Don't think I don't agree with you, 'cause I do.

The context the local constabulary saw/understood was someones musings accompanied by a picture of a rifle. "Thinking about going back to school." "Humor" like that is just a tad bit more than a step beyond. At anytime it'd be tasteless, after past events?

Maybe they know more about this guy than we do. Context that we're not aware of. Personally, I find the context I'm seeing, rather chilling.

They got a warrant, which means they convinced a judge that it was necessary.

Being an ass on line, and you and I both have our moments--you more than me, but anyway--is a sight different from what this pinheaded idiot did.

We may have to agree to disagree.

a reply to: JinMI

Well, lets wait and see what other info comes of this. We are discussing this without enough info in the first place.

A threat is a crime and has been all along. Anyone dumb enough to make a threat deserves to be inconvenienced and publicly shamed if nothing else. I think it's really stretching it to say the intended message was not obvious and clear.

a reply to: onthedownlow

Speech is protected, not so you can verbally assault anyone you choose, but to insure that you can voice an opinion or fact regardless of who it offends.

There is no difference in those two items.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

We agree. They had enough for a judge to issue a warrant, so it happened as it should.

a reply to: JinMI

Fair enough.

At the moment, I'm betwixt and between.

I'm going along with the knock on the door/warrant...I'm given pause at the charges being filed. But that's because I don't have enough factual info to go on.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Well, lets wait and see what other info comes of this. We are discussing this without enough info in the first place.

Agreed. It's just as credible that LE stopped the next mass shooting and followed the proper procedures as it is that they fumbled their way through this guys rights to get a headline in the press.

A threat is a crime and has been all along. Anyone dumb enough to make a threat deserves to be inconvenienced and publicly shamed if nothing else. I think it's really stretching it to say the intended message was not obvious and clear.

Only threats that hurt at the time? Or all threats?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: DBCowboy

You're not seriously comparing this with being a dick online considering the timing?

No, but I'll send a bar of slippery soap

When are school shooting threats not disturbing and 'timely' to current events? School shootings happen all the time, now. There was one in January, too.

Why was Nikolas Cruz's youtube threat so not-timely as to make it acceptable that LE and the FBI did not take effective action?

ETA: I mean, people should be treated equally in the justice system. Either arrest them all or none.

Even the FBi admits they screwed up on the Parkland one. No one is contesting this. What's your point? You seem to want them to continue to screw up?

I would expect a whole bunch of people are going to be looked at in he near future. Anyone who seems uncivil to the rest of society will be in the cross hairs. Take this to heart and alter your behavior. The internet will be the history of your life.

a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

pfft.

Alter your behavior. Mine is not a problem, dude.

ETA: Btw, 17 people were brutally murdered. Calling it a 'screw up' is the understatement of the decade.

a reply to: JinMI

There is a significant difference... I could tell you to go get effed, and it means nothing. If I was standing next to you and leaned in and repeated the same, there would be a problem

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JinMI



Aaaand free speech just died.

Its a terroristic threat

I am as conservative as it gets, but with the FBI being shown in the media as the useless bunch they are, along with whats going on with the POTUS and Hillary, and dropping the ball TWICE now with shooters (at least that we know of)

Do you blame them for taking action?

Im sure they will let this guy off for being an idiot but, its damn time people had some accountability.

Make threats, you should expect to be visited.