New Details In Obama Admin Unmasking FISA Abuse Scandal

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: burntheships

why would the records of susan rice unmasking people be allowed to be removed to obamas library? copies of if he was involved i could understand but og copies should always remain in national archives.

Very good question!

I wish I knew, this seems like it would be illegal,
maybe obstructing justice even.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: burntheships

why would the records of susan rice unmasking people be allowed to be removed to obamas library? copies of if he was involved i could understand but og copies should always remain in national archives.

Very good question!

I wish I knew, this seems like it would be illegal,
maybe obstructing justice even.

Does Trump or anyone else have the ability to make them give back all of Obama's Library records? I bet we find a trove of illegal stuff in there.

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
Did Nunes vote to reauthorize the FISA spying. Yes he did. Obvious that he just has a problem when it's not the other guys being investigated.

Is that all it is?

Lets think about this for a moment.

Well, if this was all there was to Nunes, why is The DOJ investigating
Andrew McCabe? And why is The DOJ now investigating The FISA
warrant process and the FBI role in it?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Nunes is a joke even to his own colleagues

Well, again....

Since The DOJ is now investigating Andrew McCabe, and also
The FBI and their role in The FISA warrant how is Nunes a joke?

It appears the joke is on them.

originally posted by: TheGOAT

Does Trump or anyone else have the ability to make them give back all of Obama's Library records? I bet we find a trove of illegal stuff in there.

As far as a few days ago, the most recent update is that Judicial Watch
has sued in an FOIA to retrieve the records on Susan Rice, and
Samantha Powers.

No update on The Obama Library though, that is a very strange one.

a reply to: burntheships

If that accusation of altering 302 forms is confirmed, then McCabe is looking at prison time for framing Gen. Flynn. Losing his pension will be the least of his worries. Destroying the evidence (which I take to mean the original forms) won't save his sorry ass, because in a matter like this that is de facto evidence of obstruction of justice.

Here is a major update in this evolving story.
Phase Two has begun!

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes sent letters Tuesday to more than a dozen current and former U.S. government officials asking about their knowledge of the infamous Steele dossier.

In the letters, Nunes submitted 10 questions covering when the officials learned of the dossier and how they handled the salacious and unverified document written by former British spy Christopher Steele.

The identities of the recipients are redacted from the letter, which a congressional source shared with The Daily Caller News Foundation. The recipients were described as “high-ranking” current and former government officials. Between one and two dozen letters were issued.

dailycaller.com...

Current and former "high ranking" officials...

Fire up those burner phones!

a reply to: TheGOAT

Who would they bitch to if capitol police just bust down the door and remove the records from the library?

Sooooo, why not walk into the building and take the records outside of that building.

???

Is someone going to shoot the ones removing the records? So whats the problem?

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

It is a very serious accusation, yet it is backed
up by the Strzok texts, and also since Andy
is now being investigated by The DOJ the
accusation is not without merit.

If he indeed did such a heinous thing
he should lose his pension.

These are people lives being ruined by
what so far appears to be a political
vendetta. Scary times.

a reply to: burntheships

And JW was told they'd have to contact the Obama Library but also was informed of the Presidential Records act wait of 5 years before documents could be released:

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that the National Security Council (NSC) on May 23, 2017, informed it by letter that the materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” have been removed to the Obama Library.

The NSC will not fulfill an April 4 Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.”

The agency also informed Judicial Watch that it would not turn over communications with any Intelligence Community member or agency concerning the alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election; the hacking of DNC computers; or the suspected communications between Russia and Trump campaign/transition officials. Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

emphasis mine


Judicial Watch

The Obama Foundation is breaking new ground with the Obama Library:

First, no presidential foundation has hired a director for a presidential library or museum; since FDR opened the first federal presidential library in 1941, directors all have been federal employees, under the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). While NARA has granted the foundations the right to approve or reject its choice, the directors have been federal employees.

Second, no federal presidential library ever has been separated into two distinct institutions, with one director of a federal library and one director of a private museum.*

...

Perhaps the Obama Foundation will go a step further (no, not an independent review of the historical accuracy and thoroughness of its exhibit about President Obama’s two terms in office…that seems a bit too much to hope for, at least at this stage). Perhaps, as the Clinton Foundation did when it built President Clinton’s library in Little Rock, the Obama Foundation will build the Obama Library — the archival repository and research institution — physically separate from the Obama museum and presidential center.

Along with organizationally separating the museum from NARA, this would offer a clear, bright line between nonpartisan government employees faithfully executing their duties under the law to preserve and make available presidential records and the activities of a partisan political organization.

Obama Foundation Changes Presidential Libraries — Perhaps Forever

What makes this fishy to me is how much it is being touted as a money saver for the federal government by not having the library fall under NARA. What's left out is the fact that with digitized versions of documents, there will be no way to verify accuracy of said documents with their hard copy originals.



a reply to: tadaman

Sooooo, why not walk into the building and take the records outside of that building.

Well, it would seem as though some of the documents are being kept separately from the remainder of the documents:

The materials that will wind up in the library are not just from the Oval Office, but from almost every part of the Executive Office of the President. According to Laster, the agency already is providing "courtesy storage" for some of Obama's presidential papers in a location he declined to disclose, though archivists can't yet dig into the boxes of documents.

First stop for Obama library archives? An empty furniture store in Hoffman Estates

a reply to: jadedANDcynical


This is a rabbit hole all by itself J&C

If I was cynical I would think that Obama had
a sinister motive in insisting these documents
remain hidden from the public eye.

Didn't he once say something about having something to hide?

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

God I would be so belligerent as a president.

I would get some marines and personally walk into that building and take them out myself.

You would see president tadaman on TV personally loading a box of records himself into an APC.

I would also use APCs instead of limos.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: burntheships

With Obama and others hiding and loosing documents I found this vid about James Madison and how the early founders realized early on in life that their letters needed to be saved so future generations could read and study . They felt that what they were doing was important ...Hillary and Obama not so much

Thank you for that!

It seems beyond imagination that Obama was allowed to remove
National Security Documents, even originals?

I was blown away by that....

Don't you know? Obama has been, and is still to this day, allowed to do whatever the hell he wants to! He's above our measly, pathetic plebian laws! His pal Hilary too!

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Nunes is a joke even to his own colleagues

Well, again....

Since The DOJ is now investigating Andrew McCabe, and also
The FBI and their role in The FISA warrant how is Nunes a joke?

It appears the joke is on them.

Could you link to that announcement for me?

originally posted by: soberbacchus
Could you link to that announcement for me?

Sure, here ya go

Jeff Sessions: Justice Department Investigating FBI in FISA Warrant Application

also here:
Real Clear Politics

And McCabe under DOJ unvestigation here

Justice Department Investigating McCabe’s FBI Handling of Clinton email Probe


Also here:

www.cnbc.com...

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: soberbacchus
Could you link to that announcement for me?

Sure, here ya go

Jeff Sessions: Justice Department Investigating FBI in FISA Warrant Application

Sessions says in a Fox interview "That will be investigated and looked at".

BUT you said they are investigating it right now?

I think Jeff Sessions often just says stuff, like "I did not meet with any Russians".

a reply to: soberbacchus

You seriously want overlook the comments of the Attorney General?

Please show me on the DOJ website where they
"announce" investigtaions.

Just which government officials are you going to believe?

Only Robert Mueller?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: soberbacchus
Could you link to that announcement for me?

Sure, here ya go

Jeff Sessions: Justice Department Investigating FBI in FISA Warrant Application

Sessions says in a Fox interview "That will be investigated and looked at".

BUT you said they are investigating it right now?

I think Jeff Sessions often just says stuff, like "I did not meet with any Russians".

They've been investigating.

All they did now was announce it.

The guillotines will be busy very soon 😃

chop chop 😎

a reply to: burntheships

Devin Nunes is an idiot and trump lap dog.


Listen my children and you shall here
of the midnight dealings hidden here.
Run to the capitol in dark of night.
Make proclamations in the morning light.
See what I have...proof right here.
Devin Nunes is no Paul Revere.



No offense to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Silly, you don't happen to live or work in Langley, VA or McLean, VA, do you?