Does anyone actually believe constant warfare will give battle hardened soldiers?

Does anyone actually believe constant warfare will give battle hardened soldiers?

We can see US is always in some sort of war. But they keep saying if we don't have war, we don't have battle hardened soldiers.

I think its totally BS seeing all the body bags coming home just to get this one guy to become elite like in a video game. We have soldiers coming back saying its hard to return to civilian life just like Rambo movie.

What we see is a lot of ignorant people saying other countries don't have combat experience, they are weak. This wasn't true before US joined WW2, US was only slightly behind in tech when it comes to fighting Tigers/Panthers. What about Russia? It was mostly civilians being exterminated and ill equipped military compare to what US has "right to bear arms".

a reply to: makemap

This wasn't true before US joined WW2, US was only slightly behind in tech when it comes to fighting Tigers/Panthers

what utter twaddle

try researching " kasserine pass "

I have to agree with utter twaddle.

German armor was superior. Russian tank were better too.

It was only by sheer numbers by mass production ,and a lot of help from European Allies was that war won.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: makemap

This wasn't true before US joined WW2, US was only slightly behind in tech when it comes to fighting Tigers/Panthers

what utter twaddle

try researching " kasserine pass "

I said battle hardened soldiers not crap commanders or overwhelming force.

a reply to: neo96

Ya, US came late with the Pershing tanks. Brits already got the Firefly and Comets to penetrate the Tigers. Which doesn't equate to my post about battle hardened soldiers.

I get the sentiment but I don't think you could of picked a worse example to bolster your point than ww2 tanks.

a reply to: makemap

Modern warfare isn't about war in the standard sense but more about money. There is a lot of money in war. The point about creating hardened soldiers, it isn't the point. They're not looking to make hardened soldiers they want numb soldiers. Men and Women who will just do as they're told asking no questions and ready to give up their lives for pointless wars.

a reply to: KungfuStu

Look at "Right to bear arms" which Soviet didn't had at the start. Basically every American knew how to use a gun. Why do you think US had less casualties problem than Soviet Union?

You give a gun to someone who doesn't know how to use it big problems. Then again Germans invaded with overwhelming force in a surprise attack while Soviet was disorganized. Many Soviet civilians became famous snipers during the war and they were not experienced at the start.

So do you think if we keep sending soldiers to war, we will have combat hardened soldiers? That is the question.

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a reply to: Dwoodward85

But, some people keep saying other countries don't have combat experience, therefore, they don't have battle hardened soldiers. You think that is true or just utter BS to keep sending people to war?

a reply to: makemap

Probably because the eastern front of the war was fought in Russia not America.

a reply to: makemap

I think your question is not complete. You think constant constant warfare will give battle hardened soldiers? What? What will it give battle hardened soldiers?

Lots of headaches and tinnitus? Extreme capability to get shot at? The ability to not hear a guy sneeze next to you because you blew your eardrums out getting shelled on? A new and snazy body bag to take home to mama and papa? I mean what? I mean combat experience will give you a heads up, but actual day to day life or death combat experience, well that will just make you very very very tired, and likely stressed out of your mind as well. So ya, plenty of things going around.

And also just so you know we have not been at a constant war, sure there have been all kinds of #z all over the globe, but if it was actual real no holds bared warfare, you would see a whole lot of the above happening. Because in a real war, there are only two kinds of people, the dead, and the soon to be dead. What you see today is just civilizations and the monetary systems at work, expanding and contracting same thing as always. The global pandemic known as civilizations and people are spreading everywhere.

As you can see, your question is incomplete. Maybe you should add something more after after that..?..Question mark there.

originally posted by: Dwoodward85
a reply to: makemap

Modern warfare isn't about war in the standard sense but more about money. There is a lot of money in war. The point about creating hardened soldiers, it isn't the point. They're not looking to make hardened soldiers they want numb soldiers. Men and Women who will just do as they're told asking no questions and ready to give up their lives for pointless wars.

Read a wonderful article this morning about PTSD in WW1 pilots...one of the quotes that struck me was the following:

“I can’t write much these days,” wrote Grider. “I’m too nervous. I can hardly hold a pen. I’m all right in the air, as calm as a cucumber, but on the ground, I’m a wreck and I get panicky. Nobody in the squadron can get a glass to his mouth with one hand after one of these patrols. Some nights we have nightmares. We don’t sleep much.”

“It’s only a question of time until we all get it. I’m all shot to pieces. I only hope I can stick it out. I don’t want to quit. My nerves are all gone, and I can’t stop. I’ve lived beyond my time already. It’s not the fear of death that’s done it. It’s this eternal flinching from it that’s doing it, and has made a coward out of me. Few men live to know what real fear is. It’s something that grows on you, day by day, that eats into your constitution and undermines your sanity. I have never been serious about anything in my life, and now I know that I’ll never be otherwise again. Here I am, twenty four years old. I look forty and feel ninety. I’ve lost all interest in life beyond the next patrol.”

Source

This is what wars can generate. Basically that guy chronicled his humanity leaving his body. That's what wars can create. It's disturbing to read and only those that have experienced it can tell you how painful that process is before one is totally numb.

War. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

a reply to: makemap

Well you edited after I replied but if this question is
"So do you think if we keep sending soldiers to war, we will have combat hardened soldiers? That is the question. "
Obviously Yes As to have battle hardened soldiers it would mean they have been hardened by being in battle previously.

originally posted by: neo96
I have to agree with utter twaddle.

German armor was superior. Russian tank were better too.

It was only by sheer numbers by mass production ,and a lot of help from European Allies was that war won.

Let's be hounest, the Russians with the help of the Allies and US weapons won the war
Germany lost almost everything on the Eastern Front

Weapons, porn and pharma drugs keep the US afloat, battle hardened or not, selling weapons is a must for the US economy

I'm what you would call a "battle-hardened soldier" and guess what happened to me? I got tossed aside like garbage. So, what's the point again? The US doesn't want battle hardened anything. They want conquest, domination and power. Different iterations of the same thing. Control, at our expense.

a reply to: makemap

Check out Joe Rogan Experience #700 where research is showing that being exposed to loud noises such as guns and bombs is causing a depletion of hormone levels that is parlaying into severe depression.

Battle hardened is not the typical result of war... it's the exact opposite.

I strongly advise those that suffer from depression and have been exposed to prolonged auditory abuse get checked for which hormone they may be lacking.

Dr. Mark Gordon is a hero!!!

a reply to: KungfuStu

"So do you think if we keep sending soldiers to war, we will have combat hardened soldiers? That is the question. "

Well that question makes a bit more sense. But my answer would be, kind of, but nah not really. Superior weapons, tactics, even practice will give you more of an edge in battle then constant real world battle would give you.

You don't believe me, try to understand, that there is a whole hell of a lot of things which goes into a war or in keeping a army superior to any other. For instance how hard would it be to invent and make things such as Jet planes, tanks, nuclear weapons and battleships when your constantly getting shot at?

If you still don't believe me, OK. Try this try to help you get a better grip on such a situation. Go get your friend or brother or whoever give him a basket full of apples, now go sit down on your desk and try to write down from memory your theory on or interpretation on the declaration of independence while you buddy is constantly trowing apples at your head?

Pretty hard to do right? It can be a bit annoying. But yes when ancient warriors like Musashi and a ton other who have been through life and death situation and survived more # then most people dreamed of say that you must have a clear mind when going into battle.

Well some of it may not have been all mystical bull#, in some instances it just means, sit down, shut your yap up, and think things through and do that long before you do that, to have a clear mind, and if your in a situation were you cant do that, when then get your ass out of that situation first, then do that. Because it would be stupid to think that you would be able to think things through when your in the thick of it.

Oh ya, The book of 10 rings, you should totally read it, or zun tsuz book, its like all type of awesome advice, even on how to fry eggs. See its even in the wiki uncyclopedia, in fact by some estimations Sun Tsu may have been the inventor of the fry'd eggs, not mine, but some, I think its debatable on just who invented how to fry eggs.

Also there was something in there about diversions and deception and yada yada. It goes on, but a good breakfast goes a long way is the short of the book and likely the most important lesson or thing in there.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

What you see today is just civilizations and the monetary systems at work, expanding and contracting same thing as always. The global pandemic known as civilizations and people are spreading everywhere.

That is pretty much what defines warfare right there. Yes, we have been at constant warfare, but so as all of humanity since the beginning of time. This is nothing unique to America. We just have become perfect at waging it.

I mean after all, every single soldier in our service has volunteered to be in their position. There is no draft. If people want to war, let them war. It keeps us up to date with gadgets and resources to numb our minds and pretend none of it exists.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

With all due respect and Not that I don't agree with you the Question is "can we have battle hardened troops without sending troops into battle". Sure you can have more capable troops through superior training and technology but you can't have battle hardened troop who have not been in battle.