Mueller Indictments for 13 Russian Nationals in US Election Meddling

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: UKTruth
Rosenstein :

“no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge.”

I can feel the hope dying away from those poor leftists that have been hanging on for dear life to the collusion fake news.

Personally my hope is for the truth to come out and justice served.

As far as you hoping this is a conclusion rather than a thread, this brings the indictment count to 17? Four in the Trump Campaign and 13 Russians?

I suspect if Mueller was wrapping up, he would have said the same.

Patience!

Oh don't worry, I have plenty of patience... positively looking forward to the day when leftists hope is finally crushed. Nonetheless, as that day arrives, I can enjoy their desperation

The sad idea that your joy resides in other's desperation aside, objectively desperation is usually accompanied by lies and false narratives. It would seem the right that is being continually pummeled with the truth and the left that patiently explains that truth to them.

Trump and his supporters never ending desperate claims that the Russians didn't interfere in the elections being a prime example of a central "desperate" narrative that Mueller thoroughly destroyed this afternoon.

More to come, no doubt.

Actually, most Trump supporters defend the position that there was no collusion. That's the important charge. Conflating some Russian dudes running some get-togethers, printing badges and posting on facebook is not going to work.

This doesn't even tie Russia to anything - unless of course, the govt of every country is complicit in the crimes of their citizens. We already know of one British citizen who was conspiring with Clinton campaign officials, so I guess Britain was interfering in the election too, right? Still waiting for the evidence that the Russian govt was behind the DNC hack. You'd think by now the investigation might have uncovered something... but no.

There have been some big claims over the past 18 months, with no evidence, and all we seem to have is some private citizens of another country paying for some ads, without the knowledge of anyone in Trump world. Not very interesting. Those that have witnessed the outlandish claims are not going to fall for unrelated indictments to the charges made based on fake news.

I think you will find most rational people scratching their heads and saying 'Eh? I thought you said Putin did it and Trump was helping him?"

originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: WhatTheory

I wonder, genius, in your mind, is there a middle ground between making guns illegal, and allowing anyone with a pulse to carry away as many assault rifles as they can?

I see, Einstein, that you are blaming the guns instead of the legal mind bending drugs this dude was on. In most of these shootings, the loonies are on the same type of LEGAL drugs. It's a mental problem, not a gun problem.

NVM

originally posted by: WhatTheory

originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: WhatTheory

I wonder, genius, in your mind, is there a middle ground between making guns illegal, and allowing anyone with a pulse to carry away as many assault rifles as they can?

I see, Einstein, that you are blaming the guns instead of the legal mind bending drugs this dude was on. In most of these shooting, the loonies are on the same type of LEGAL drugs. It's a mental problem, not a gun problem.

And of course easy access to guns to anyone with mental issues

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Harpua

Considering that Bernie was the only real threat to Hilary in the primaries, who else would the Russians promote if they so desperately wanted her to lose?

Doesn't change the fact that, if true, "Russians" also aimed to support Bernie. I wonder how many Bernie supporters helped disseminate Russian propaganda on social media.

It does seem obvious that the Russians assumed the DNC and GOP would both make sure an 'outsider' did not win their primary. The GOP had already shown this against Ron Paul. I think the GOP surprised them this time, so they just ran with it.

They are trying to burn the first amendment right along with boom sticks.

My God.

The reason we have it, to begin with, was a protection for political speech.

And the evil Russians said bad things about Clinton?

Who gives a snip.

Now we're going after people for what they say.

ZEIG HEIL!

a reply to: neo96

Falsified dossiers

Do you know what "falsified means?"

illegal spying

Doesn't appear to have been illegal and has no bearing on the election.

paid protesting

According to...? Random Craigslist ads?

rigged debates

Well, this one has some merit at least but has nothing to do with the debates with Dear Leader.

rigged polls

Huh?

rigged primaries

What?

marching out illegal immigrants on stage at their convention

Irrelevant?

suspect votes in California where Clinton got more votes than Obama did.

Suspect to whom? Zero evidence of anything "suspect" about them has been demonstrated. Just baseless innuendo.

Running around pointing the finger at Russia nothing, but smoke and mirrors.

Smoke and mirrors? That's what we've been hearing from the deniers since day 1. I imagine that no amount of indictments, convictions, confessions, admissions or evidence is ever going to change that.

originally posted by: Harpua

originally posted by: WhatTheory

originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: WhatTheory

I wonder, genius, in your mind, is there a middle ground between making guns illegal, and allowing anyone with a pulse to carry away as many assault rifles as they can?

I see, Einstein, that you are blaming the guns instead of the legal mind bending drugs this dude was on. In most of these shooting, the loonies are on the same type of LEGAL drugs. It's a mental problem, not a gun problem.

And of course easy access to guns to anyone with mental issues

Why would you think people with mental issues should have easy access to guns? That's not right.
Don't forget, if the FBI would have done their job, this would not have happened.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: neo96

Smoke and mirrors? That's what we've been hearing from the deniers since day 1. I imagine that no amount of indictments, convictions, confessions, admissions or evidence is ever going to change that.

Correct - almost.
No amount of unrelated indictments to the claims made will change that.
If evidence surfaces that the Russian govt hacked the DNC, that WikiLeaks works for Putin, that Trump colluded with Putin and is taking orders from him, and if indictments are handed down relating to those charges then sure, opinions will change.

So far? ZERO evidence or indictments relating to the claims.
Today's indictments are against a group of civilians that started their efforts well before Trump even decided to run, and we don't even know if this is completely normal for US elections and has happened for years - or indeed if any other non-Russian groups were doing exactly the same thing. I reckon the American people are awake enough these days to smell the BS and separate the actual claims from the effort to conflate unrelated issues.

Based on what has been said today - Trump just started his latest victory lap.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Do you know what "falsified means?"

Yep, Do you?

Doesn't appear to have been illegal and has no bearing on the election.

Sure I mean everyone needs 4 FISA judges to approve baseless accusations.

Irrelevant?

Not according to the LAW.

Suspect to whom? Zero evidence of anything "suspect" about them has been demonstrated. Just baseless innuendo.

Is that so.

2012 election

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Right!

Nothing to see there.

Move right along folks.

People loved Clinton more than the 'first black president'.

a reply to: UKTruth

Trump is in bed with Putin to hack the election and threaten democracy.
No wait, he is a russian manchurian candidate who helped the Kremlin hack the election.
no wait, he is an unwitting participant in Russian active measures.
No wait, the Trump campaign is in bed with Putin and the Kremlin.
No wait, Don jr is in bed with Putin.
No wait, Manafort is in bed with Putin.
No wait, Popadopolous is in bed with Putin.
No wait, the Kremlin used an influence campaign to alter the results of the election.
No wait, The kremlin used Twitter to influence the election.
No wait, a Russian company used bots to influence the election.
No wait, Russian nationals committed aggravated wire fraud,

Mueller saying Americans communicated "unwittingly" with Russians during the elections.

I agree. If they believed half that BS they'd surely didn't have their wits about them.

heh.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: UKTruth

Trump is in bed with Putin to hack the election and threaten democracy.
No wait, he is a russian manchurian candidate who helped the Kremlin hack the election.
no wait, he is an unwitting participant in Russian active measures.
No wait, the Trump campaign is in bed with Putin and the Kremlin.
No wait, Don jr is in bed with Putin.
No wait, Manafort is in bed with Putin.
No wait, Popadopolous is in bed with Putin.
No wait, the Kremlin used an influence campaign to alter the results of the election.
No wait, The kremlin used Twitter to influence the election.
No wait, a Russian company used bots to influence the election.
No wait, Russian nationals committed aggravated wire fraud,

That's pretty much been the timeline.

They love moving their goal post.

a reply to: UKTruth

Based on what has been said today - Trump just started his latest victory lap.

Based on your faulty assumption the Mueller probe is over, you mean.

I hope Trump does try to take a "victory lap". It'll be that much funnier to watch.

What do Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have in common?



Besides being old white men.

a reply to: soberbacchus

LOL, poppydoppy is all you've got and he plead guilty to lying, hardly a credible person to flip. Now Flynn is fighting, manafort fighting, you're grasping at straws.

They should have hired a lobbyist group, then it's all good, all fine. How many millions have we spent to find what they already should have known. This is the biggest joke since the "Russians meddled with our election".

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: UKTruth

Trump is in bed with Putin to hack the election and threaten democracy.
No wait, he is a russian manchurian candidate who helped the Kremlin hack the election.
no wait, he is an unwitting participant in Russian active measures.
No wait, the Trump campaign is in bed with Putin and the Kremlin.
No wait, Don jr is in bed with Putin.
No wait, Manafort is in bed with Putin.
No wait, Popadopolous is in bed with Putin.
No wait, the Kremlin used an influence campaign to alter the results of the election.
No wait, The kremlin used Twitter to influence the election.
No wait, a Russian company used bots to influence the election.
No wait, Russian nationals committed aggravated wire fraud,

yep, most of that looks to be exactly what the investigation is uncovering...

originally posted by: PatriotGames2
What do Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have in common?



Besides being old white men.

they both ran against Hilary

a reply to: neo96

Moving the goalpost?

This is an investigation... this is what is being uncovered during the investigation.

I understand your denial though, cognitive dissonance is hard to overcome.