Ego and the perception of Hell.

Not having any belief of a higher power at all & feeling there is no need for a Spiritual Guide throughout EXISTENCE can be a experience compared to a newborn being born into this world without any parental guidance to help and teach them along the way. And protect them from harm associated with the environment/habitat.

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Many of us are young spiritually in essence of our time of Creation compared to other CREATOR Creations.
Some of those Creations may have elder like input due to their experience within EXISTENCE that can assist the younger in Creation or derail them. Depending on what types are contacted...

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Therefore potentially placing those who follow such paths of thinking and consciousness in periods or times through and during the phases of Life and Death within Existence, in harms way of the unknown to them.

A unknown that may be a known however for the Higher power with the perception to see what the Created cannot or do not see immediately.

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This may be a cause for discomfort for a ETERNAL Soul(s) maneuvering through existence as they are set to encounter possible obstacles that without guidance may seem like hell to experience...

NAMASTE*******

I guess they should be humble and pray for guidance...we must duck under what we cannot climb over. And yet each one provides it's testing.

Even more interesting is when without any means, fall back or recourse, a 'divine' protection is still there, exerting its influence from time to time, to cover your needs.

a reply to: intrptr

Yes, as if it knows we can only comprehend so much of existence objectively.

Personally I feel it is a naive move to think it is logical to go at existence all alone without any form of guidance.
Egotistically feeling you can do it by yourself?

The lack of a beleif or curiousity of the unknown, is hardly a boost of one status quo, for would they not considered innocent rather then ignorant, if there is a such a difference in altruism an repentance.

And yet, philosophies and ideas of nil, in a plane full of destruction, decomposition, an detachment, one only has to stop for a moment, to see it all.

I have my spiritual guide to help me to communicate with the higher power. My spiritual guide is a part of god, not god though. It helps me to communicate with god though. My spiritual guide is the collective conscious of everything on the earth. The wisdom of this world has a lot of power that can reach the higher power. The earth is just a tiny fraction of the consciousness of the creator but it is linked to the higher power because it is a tiny part of the whole picture. This link increases our ability to speak to the higher power, there is not enough power in only the collective consciousness of man. I do not know how man thinks he is all important, we were put here to take care of this garden of Eden we were given. Yeah, we are not doing a very good job at it.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
This may be a cause for discomfort for a ETERNAL Soul(s) maneuvering through existence as they are set to encounter possible obstacles that without guidance may seem like hell to experience...

NAMASTE*******

heres where you are wrong. You do not immediatly go to hell if you have never known God or his son. You get to learn about him and make a choice of how you will spend the afterlife. According to scholars who study this.

a reply to: yuppa
I understand.
I am stating that however to act as if you dont require a Spiritual guidance throughout existence is egotistical and naive no matter which guide of choice chosen...

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The hell would be learning through experience on your own as you encounter fails that may be extremely discomforting.
Fails possibly avoidable with Guidance from ISA or any Benevolent divine deity simular...

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
Many of us are young spiritually in essence of our time of Creation compared to other CREATOR Creations.
Some of those Creations may have elder like input due to their experience within EXISTENCE that can assist the younger in Creation or derail them. Depending on what types are contacted...

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How exactly do you know this to be true?

a reply to: Realtruth

Angels were made before mankind, for example...

a reply to: Realtruth

Genesis 1: animals in the sea, air and land mentioned made before mankind also.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

a reply to: Realtruth

The Jinn also were created before mankind.

Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire” (Quran 15:26-27)

The offspring of ATUM also came before mankind.

Atum was a self-created deity, the first being to emerge from the darkness and endless watery abyss that existed before creation.

A product of the energy and matter contained in this chaos, he created his children—the first deities, out of loneliness.

He produced from his own sneeze, or in some accounts, semen, Shu, the god of air, and Tefnut, the goddess of moisture. The brother and sister, curious about the primeval waters that surrounded them, went to explore the waters and disappeared into the darkness. Unable to bear his loss, Atum sent a fiery messenger, the Eye of Ra, to find his children. The tears of joy he shed on their return were the first human beings.[14]


He is usually depicted as a man wearing either the royal head-cloth or the dual white and red crown of Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt, reinforcing his connection with kingship. Sometimes he also is shown as a serpent, the form he returns to at the end of the creative cycle, and also occasionally as a mongoose, lion, bull, lizard, or ape.[4]

I still consider the idea that it is possible that the religious view - that G-d or some entity watches over you, or protects you throughout your life, may have come to be as a result of feeling vulnerable and not because that is actually the case.

Why would any entity waste their time, having to watch over you and guide you?

Why should they care?

Have you ever watched myriads of things being born, whether animals or insects? Does something watch over each and every one of them, watching their every step?

When you experience myriads of things being born, you realize the countless beings there are in existence.

On the other hand, maybe there is a law.. well there must be.. a law or rules under which living beings are effected. Then nobody has to watch over or guide anybody else.

originally posted by: nOraKat

Why would any entity waste their time, having to watch over you and guide you?

If it Created you and has plans for you, sending WATCHERS to evaluate-guide or oversee your development in areas you may not comprehend with your current conscious capacity seems like a plausible reason to 1...

originally posted by: nOraKat
Why should they care?

To create something with potential for it to advance and develop and then leave it alone to fail seems illogical.

originally posted by: nOraKat
Have you ever watched myriads of things being born, whether animals or insects? Does something watch over each and every one of them, watching their every step?

Yes from my observations something does.
That something causes or influences usually large amounts of offspring to be spawned. The large spawn amounts seen with some amphibians-fish-insect-reptile-bacteria/viruses . are examples of the intelligence associated with the created.
Those who may have ruffer times adjusting to the dynamic diversity within their habitats may require more births in order to sustain their energy types.
Why those who may require less birth amounts over longer gestational periods are more prepared to apprehend their habitats...

originally posted by: nOraKat
When you experience myriads of things being born, you realize the countless beings there are in existence.

Yes

Please explain how an individual is to ascertain whether one of these Divine entities is benevolent or not ? The Scriptures say that Satan appears as an angel of Light.

If all manner of deception is allowable then what means would a benevolent being utilize in order to convince someone of the truth

As I see it all we have is our intuitiveness to try to discern whether something is true or not in areas that there is no way to prove it. Or at least try to construct a believe system out of the information that they feel is legitimate in order to make sense of life