Trump Will Not Release Minority Memo

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: theantediluvian


Strangely she accepted a job with Wallmart, which is of course owned by Trump ally and Billionaire Sam Walton.

Something is brewing.

Sam Walton died in 1992. He was a Trump Supporter then?

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a reply to: Willtell

So Trump, for his own self interest gets to open of Pandora's box and then closes it for others who want to defend themselves and the FBI from the charges in the Nunes memo

You make many assumptions. You apparently assume that there were no problems with national security in the Schiff memo. You assume that Trump is lying when he states his administration is ready to work with the Democrats to rewrite the memo in such a way it does not divulge national secrets. And you assume that Trump made his decision without benefit of the FBI/DoJ as he stated.

Is that fair, right or just...?

It doesn't have to be. It's reasonable, assuming that there were indeed national security secrets in the memo.

'Fair' is a gathering for purpose of competition and excitement or an ideology that bears little resemblance to reality, 'right' is the direction west when one is facing south or correctness, and 'just' is an adverb meaning 'only' or the root of the word 'justice' (which rarely exists where partisan politics are involved and was placed in doubt by the Nunes memo).

None of your assumptions above are fair, right, or just. Neither are they reasonable.

This is the bottom of the moral barrel. Has this man no shame. At long last, has he any sense of fairness, finally.

Nice talking points. Can you manage to pull out of the TDS episode long enough to actually discuss the topic, or do you have more talking points to put out?

We are at the lowest dregs of our civilization

That much is rather obvious.

TheRedneck

a reply to: soberbacchus

THAT is what we heard about the Nunes Memo (From the FBI) and it got released.

And it contained no national security secrets. We cannot make the same conclusion about the Schiff memo, because none of us have seen it yet.

Oh, and a team of FBI analysts reviewed the Nunes memo before its release and approved it. The accusations that it contained classified information came from anonymous sources reported through the various anti-Trump MSM outlets.

Rumors don't count.

I'm glad we agree. Your complaint above was over a rumor that proved to be false.

And this letter cites TRUMP vetoing, not DOJ or FBI that vetoed.

"The enclosed letter from the Deputy Attorney General and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation explains these determinations in detail."

Reading: it does a body good.

Trump made his decision based on recommendations by the FBI/DoJ. He had the same review performed on the Nunes memo, and the recommendation was that there were no national security concerns despite what the usual suspects (CNN, WaPo, NYT, NBC,et al) tried to say.

GOP in Congress OKed the release.

The GOP in the Committee OKed the release. They cannot release the information. That would take a vote of the entire House.

Not OK. You can't demand one Memo that DOJ/FBI said was classified to be released, and then accept another not being released AFTER GOP Congress releases, cuz Trump thinks it is classified?

You're the one pushing that narrative. Officially, according to everything we know, the Nunes memo was approved by the FBI/DoJ during review and the Schiff memo was not approved during a similar review because it contained sensitive information according to the letter.

If you have evidence that the official story is false, please present it so others can peruse and analyze it. I see nothing yet that contradicts the official story, but I'm certainly willing to look at any evidence to that.

"Trump! Russians! Obstruction of Justice! Impeach!" is not a cognitive argument.

Hypocrisy has bounds.

I wish it did. It was the DNC that opposed the Nunes memo because it supposedly contained sensitive information. That proved to be false. Now we are told (and have no reason I see to disbelieve, except "Trump") that the same DNC has tried to release a memo that does contain sensitive information and are crying foul because it didn't happen.

Apparently, hypocrisy knows no bounds, when pundits are involved.

THIS IS FULL ON STATE RUN PROPAGANDA AT THIS STAGE.

Hang in there. I understand Pfizer is working on a new treatment for TDS.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck


Just tell people who whine about President Trump, to work and think smarter than Trump and his team, ahead of the 2020 election. Maybe they can beat him...and find someone else to complain about.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Strangely she accepted a job with Wallmart, which is of course owned by Trump ally and Billionaire Sam Walton.

Something is brewing.

Samuel Moore Walton (March 29, 1918 – April 5, 1992) was an American businessman and entrepreneur best known for founding the retailers Walmart and Sam's Club.

Sam Walton has been dead for over a quarter century. Are we claiming Trump is channeling ghosts for nefarious purposes now?

TheRedneck

Wow, Democrats are the worst chess players ever! Anyone with half a brain can see through this charade. Might as well be playing marbles with monkeys. Dems all vote no on Nunes memo, Reps all vote yes on loaded Dem memo. I think they should just release it as-is like the Democrats want and let the chips fall. Nunes’ memo was supposedly so damaging to national security, surely these same people wouldn’t do that now, would they?

a reply to: carewemust

You know, that movie "Turbo" was just a movie. Snails don't really get to win the Indianapolis 500, and people who spent all their time dreaming up easily-disproven statements about a sitting President don't become President.

Of course, your suggestion would likely have some good comedic value...

TheRedneck

Just wanted to chime in and say the media angle, even down to the local news, were towing the line.

Across.The.Board.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

And we know this is true because we've read it, right? Oh wait, we haven't so it's he said she said.

If it were a Democrat president refusing to release a Republican memo on these same basis' you guys would be crying conspiracy and saying they're hiding something, but since it's your side doing it it's a-okay.

Please tell me I'm lying.

a reply to: TheRedneck


Here's another suggestion...Democrats in this country would be wise to get far away from their party. It's broke, dysfunctional, and mirrors the mind of Nancy Pelosi.

a reply to: carewemust

The entire political system is broken, yet here we are participating in it every single day. Ironic isn't it?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Willtell

So Trump, for his own self interest gets to open of Pandora's box and then closes it for others who want to defend themselves and the FBI from the charges in the Nunes memo

You make many assumptions. You apparently assume that there were no problems with national security in the Schiff memo.

Well, apparently, even the Republicans on the Intelligence Commitee, couldn't see the problems with national security in the Democrats Memo, since they voted to have it released.

What that says, is that, either Trump is just defending himself, or Trump is much more knowledgable than all the Republicans on the Intelligence committee, and can identify problems with the memo that they could not.

Seems strange, since the Republicans have been on that committee for some time, and Trump only just got into office.

You'd think that experienced and seasoned Republicans, familiar with the ways of the Intel Commitee, would be better able to determine what should be taken out of such a memo.

Hmm...

Logic says, Trump is just hiding something.

Of course, it could be that Trump is really like a really smart guy, and he can indeed see things that the less intelligent Republicans on that committee can't.

Doubtful, but possible.



I'll keep an open mind.

So Donald Trump, who has several close staff members working in the White House without proper security clearance, who blew the cover on an Israeli intelligence operation and who authorized the release of the republican memo when he was warned by multiple agencies not to do it...is now all of a sudden concerned?

a reply to: valve

You comment seems to go both ways. Can you clarify on what side you stand on..... Actually please say you stand for divisibility, liberty and justice for all! ATS has made me sick as of late. How dare our great conspiracy thread take to such low measures to measure someone based on political views. We at one time thrived on our different views to progress a very interesting topic with zero of us pointing fingers in a single direction. The Respect that was at one time given and was not a form of attack. Lets get back to that point again. PLEASE MAKE ATS GREAT AGAIN

a reply to: TheRedneck

Isn't it funny how those same concerns didn't strike him when it came to Nunes memo.

Then it didn't matter what the FBI said. They had the same concerns but that didn't matter at all to trump.
He's hiding something.
Or the evidence doesn't support his claims and he's covering his lies again.

a reply to: carewemust

Without cheating?

a reply to: theantediluvian

3. The DOJ/FBI were not apparently part of the WH process in determining whether or not to release the Nunes memo from everything I've read. So no, not the same process

They did see it. They said not to release it. But he released it anyway.

Now he says wellllll....what ever the FBI recommends...

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Trump is hiding something. We all know it. He's trying to stop Mueller. The harder he tries the closer Mueller is getting to polishing the lock.

a reply to: AMPTAH

True. They sent it forward. Trumps playing a dangerous game here.