Pole shift Possibility

I have been stating for a while now on ATS that the pole shift we can expect is not if but when, to paraphrase.

www.thesun.co.uk...


I also think the drifting Magnetic pole naturally takes the magnetic affect with it. It should affect, and has IMO, the weather above and below the earth. Earthquakes and rain patterns should follow the course of least resistance. Whether they are weak magnetic fields or strong, water and magma have magnetic attraction properties that would have to move with the new location of the poles. The Poles defining the direction of North and South or think of it as Positive and Negative would be dramatic if we were to flip 180 degrees magnetically.

a reply to: Justoneman
Perhaps it would be good to stress, though I'm sure you know it yourself, the difference between the magnetic poles and the poles of the earth's rotation. The "flipping" in the article refers to the first, and would affect compasses etc., as you said. It would not involve the earth turning upside-down.

The poles switching (i.e., positive and negative) doesn't seem like it would be much of a big deal as long as it happens quickly. The scarier scenario is where the poles actually drift from where they are today. That, I would guess, has a lot more consequences on the weather and the planet under the surface.

Runways are named by a number between 01 and 36, which is generally the magnetic azimuth of the runway's heading in decadegrees. This heading differs from true north by the local magnetic declination. A runway numbered 09 points east (90°), runway 18 is south (180°), runway 27 points west (270°) and runway 36 points to the north (360° rather than 0°).[2] When taking off from or landing on runway 09, a plane would be heading 90° (east).

Wikipedia - Runway.

The poles already drift which is why runways are named the way they are.

A complete shift would be the easiest to adjust to (except for migrating coconuts, of course!) versus a slow drift to the equator then a flip of north and south.

I thought the pole shift was supposed to have happened May 5, 2000, when Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Jupiter, and Mars were going to line up and kill the dinosaurs, I mean, Us. At least that is what I remember from my timeline!

a reply to: Justoneman

It doesn't have to be a 180 degree flip, it could just rotate any number of degrees. I think I read somewhere is the most likely orientation of the new poles will be at 90 degree angles to the existing polar orientation.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I think the orientation of the magnetic poles is directly related to the orientation of the spin of our core. The interface between the core and say the mantel isn't fixed right, the core can move around in any direction because it's basically a fluid.

So the rotational orientation of the core would change, that would change the location/orientation of the magnetic field. So, the changes would be new areas of the mantel that received varying degrees of heat exchange from the core's new rotational direction.

Because there is no stress transfer between the core and the mantel, the core is a fluid. It would have to be a solid to translate forces to the mantel in order to make the earth change it's orbital orientation and it would have to be a huge force to overcome the angular momentum of the earth due to the rotation of the mantel and surface/crust

originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
a reply to: Justoneman

It doesn't have to be a 180 degree flip, it could just rotate any number of degrees. I think I read somewhere is the most likely orientation of the new poles will be at 90 degree angles to the existing polar orientation.

90 , i think would be more strange than 180....

I saw a short clip sometime back i think it was Nat Geo, the simulation of what would happen to the magnetic field during the change. It was like a lava lamp the way positive and negative interacted. When the flip started it was changing shape then like the lava lamp a big splotch moved all at once to the other side.

originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
Because there is no stress transfer between the core and the mantel, the core is a fluid. It would have to be a solid to translate forces to the mantel in order to make the earth change it's orbital orientation and it would have to be a huge force to overcome the angular momentum of the earth due to the rotation of the mantel and surface/crust

That is what one of the theory's of Niburu was about, having the energy to flip the physical Earth as it passed us.

a reply to: Justoneman

Well I think Nibiru is disinfo personally. But I do believe in comets, I think that in earth's past a big comet passed by and grabbed the crust of the earth, enough to pull us slightly out of orbit and then to tilt us on our current axis of rotation.

But to actually flip the earth 180 degrees on it's axis of rotation would take a tremendous force, like the gravity of a Jupiter passing within 0.1AU of the earth.

And it would tear the earth apart at the seams, think of the stresses in the earth to overcome the existing angular (rotational momentum) and reverse it's spin direction.

Practically impossible I'd say, but to tilt it 23% degrees I think is possible and probable.

This place is good for a quick rundown. Not too fear mongery....

magneticreversal.org

a reply to: Justoneman

I’ve been hearing about this poll shift thing for fourty years now. Through enough crap against the wall.....,,,,

Been reading about this for years.
yes the fields vary constantly the "magnetic" poles wander around constantly
but all the scare story's are garbage
yes the poles can have and do reverse but they DONT flip
its a process that takes decades too century's too happen
the issue for us is the weakening of field strength during the change.
which MAY expose us to a greater risk of damaging effects from solar storms CME's etc.
The absolute worst case is the field strength collapses to the point where
solar wind starts to strip the atmosphere like it seems to have done to mars.
however until our core has cooled to the point that the planets internal
dynamo of swirling molten metals that generate the field stop and solidify that cannot happen.

dont worry i seriously doubt compass users will need to hold them backwards in our lifetimes

a reply to: ShayneJUK



You know if it is one of those once in a millennial type things that changes the world in dramatic ways, it could be a possible explanation for various events of historical significance. That is the part that is on the table to be discussed with me. I sense that that the 11 year cycle makes us complacent to the 3600 year or what ever pattern it may be.

Are the events in the Solar System related to orbiting objects or the magnetic fields? Perhaps a bit of both I think from my readings. Mars doesn't have much of a magnetic field, nor the Moon. Life on Earth surely would be much different without it so the changes of the electric field could merely be etched over time as a species in our 'useless' DNA portions, making it a big nothing burger....

I would think weather is the real story here. The molecules of gaseous water are magnetic and would be normally aligned accordingly in a cloud. Lightening might be the same only opposite handed, like in a chemical lattice.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: Justoneman

I’ve been hearing about this poll shift thing for fourty years now. Through enough crap against the wall.....,,,,

Yes and not much to disagree with here from your point. I am not throwing it as an evil thing as I would agree if you say we don't have a clue really, but rather bringing up the 'doom porn' from the media to ponder. That alone makes it ATS worthy....

originally posted by: Bobaganoosh
This place is good for a quick rundown. Not too fear mongery....

magneticreversal.org

Thanks for the find! It looks cool.

It does have a gloomy look to it. But knowledge is power and ignorance isn't always bliss.

ETA

A lot of legit sources with their topics that apply to this discussion. Very good IMO>

a reply to: Justoneman

Agreed. Always love me some doom porn. We’re constantly in a “boy who cried wolf” syndrome. One of these days when we least expect it......

The third video on the right side of that link, the Scientist thinks the weather is going to change and vulcanism with eq's... hmmmm

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
The poles switching (i.e., positive and negative) doesn't seem like it would be much of a big deal as long as it happens quickly. The scarier scenario is where the poles actually drift from where they are today. That, I would guess, has a lot more consequences on the weather and the planet under the surface.

The pole shift happens over hundreds if not thousands of years. The magnetic field strength gradually gets weaker in some places and stronger in others. At some point in time, Earth will actually have two or more "North Poles" and "South Poles" until one pair become dominant.

a reply to: Justoneman

It's a topic that is never far from my mind. The discussions behind the paywall at the SO site are fascinating.

It blew my mind to learn that the possible progressions are likely headed toward one another.

It's something so big that should have it's own forum, but an unimaginably vast number of people just don't really seem to want to think about it.