Lilly Allen Branded an Ill Informed Virtue Signaller By Decorated Veteran.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: face23785

Yes, a difference in moral codes.

It is still virtue signaling.

No, there is a difference. The decorated veterans were decorated for actual deeds they did. It would be like pointing to all of Michael Phelps's gold medals from swimming, calling him a decorated Olympian swimmer and having you call it simply virtue signalling. It's not. Phelps had to earn each of those medals for deeds he did. They are backed by actual accomplishment.

Lilly on the other hand is claiming virtue she has not earned. All she is doing is shooting off her mouth to make herself seem like a good person.

Words, not deeds.

Now, you may not like the deeds they did, but that is very much a different argument. They at least physically did something.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: face23785
Today it's used to describe scum patting themselves on the back trying to make themselves look virtuous. Praising people who actually deserve it is not the same thing, at all.

You really don't see it?

Actually deserving praise or being scum is a matter of opinion based on which team you are rooting for.

You really don't see it?

When someone is demonstrably wrong and doesn't know the history behind the virtues they're trying to signal, it's not the same thing as praising vets. Not to mention this scum is trying to make herself look virtuous, whereas the vets are receiving praise from someone else. It's totally different. Sorry. She's scum.

She’s welcome to her opinion, and I don’t agree with her

But Fk you all very much, I’m sure she would tell every one of you with a cute little dance and middle finger wave

Thank you for the thread OP, I forgot how good she was

a reply to: ketsuko

I think she is criticizing the deeds others are praising.

Now, those doing the praising of said deeds are on the same team as those who carried them out and are judging based on their shared morals.

a reply to: face23785

My original post has nothing to do with her.

Highlighting that the guy in the OP is a "decorated vet" is virtue signaling regardless of what Allen is or isn't.

a reply to: CulturalResilience

"Ill-informed virtue-signaller" is a great phrase to describes Allen, and her attempt to cut others down in order to prop herself up.

a reply to: daskakik

Highlighting that the guy in the OP is a "decorated vet" is virtue signaling regardless of what Allen is or isn't.

It isn't. It's just a fact.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

A fact that didn't need to be brought up unless you wanted to signal how virtuous he is.

a reply to: daskakik

A fact that didn't need to be brought up unless you wanted to signal how virtuous he is.

Virtue-signalling is about signalling fake virtue, not pointing out real virtue.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Virtue being real or fake is a matter of opinion.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Virtue being real or fake is a matter of opinion.

To a relativist, yes. Not to anyone who has a moral compass.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

A moral compass is subjective.

ETA: What does your moral compass say about Britain invading foreign lands?

a reply to: daskakik

A moral compass is subjective.

Everything is subjective to a relativist.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Maybe but I'm not a relativist. Some things are subjective and some are objective and moral compasses are subjective. You are not going to try tell me that every human has the same morals?

a reply to: daskakik

Maybe but I'm not a relativist. Some things are subjective and some are objective and moral compasses are subjective. You are not going to try tell me that every human has the same morals?

No, but I will also not say their morals are derived from their subjectivity.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
No, but I will also not say their morals are derived from their subjectivity.

Neither will I.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
No, but I will also not say their morals are derived from their subjectivity.

Neither will I.

I'm glad to hear.

Who cares?

I mean really, so what, Lilly Allen has an opinion? Why the outrage? Who cares.

And what did she actually say anyway?

I found this quote:


In response, she posted to her Twitter followers on Thursday: “Look, I am proud to be British, I am incredibly lucky to call London home, and I’m sure there are parts of British history that make us both proud but Rourkes Drift and what ELSE it represents is upsetting for lots of British people.

“That might not be a popular take, that’s fine.”



This whole thing stinks of manufactured outrage on the part of the Daily Mail to be honest.

Her opinion matters why, exactly?

It changes nothing of the acts at Rourkes Drift by the soldiers.

For those interested, these are the men who earned the Victoria Cross at Rourke's Drift.

Awarded the Victoria Cross:[47]

Lieutenant John Rouse Merriott Chard, 5th Field Coy, Royal Engineers

Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead; B Coy, 2nd/24th Foot

Corporal William Wilson Allen; B Coy, 2nd/24th Foot

Private Frederick Hitch; B Coy, 2nd/24th Foot

Private Alfred Henry Hook; B Coy, 2nd/24th Foot

Private Robert Jones; B Coy, 2nd/24th Foot

Private William Jones; B Coy, 2nd/24th Foot

Private John Williams; B Coy, 2nd/24th Foot

Surgeon James Henry Reynolds; Army Medical Department

Acting Assistant Commissary James Langley Dalton; Commissariat and Transport Department
Corporal Christian Ferdinand Schiess; 2nd/3rd Natal Native Contingent

...and a bit of an overview of the fight.

The odds that these gentlemen faced were extreme. But as the saying went "Martini-Henry rifles and a little guts" saw them through.

All I know is, Lilly has a brother named Theon Greyjoy.

Both are horrid characters