Do you correlate education with intelligence??

As I type this, the top thread is by "theantediluvian" this thread has may parts, but the part I found interesting it talks about high education vs low education states. How many people really believe that a college degree is a sign of intelligence?

In America, basically anyone can go to college. There are so many degrees that anyone with any intelligence level can obtain.

So do you believe people with a college degrees are smarter then people without college degrees?
Do you believe people with college educations make better neighbors then people without a college degree?

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Not all college degrees are created equal.

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

How many people really believe that a college degree is a sign of intelligence?

Not.

College education proves you will bust your ass for years at a time to learn a lot of formulaic material that has no useful purpose, for absolutely no reward.

This slavish conditioning is exactly what the large Corporations are looking for.

Your hired.

I know several school teachers with masters degrees and they are idiots.

My dad on the other hand only got through 8th grade and he was one of the smartest people I have ever met.

So no, education does not equate to intelligence.

Yes.

Intelligence seeks education. Education does not demand intelligence. Education without intelligence is programming.
Intelligence without education is wasted.

No. Not at all. I've met some scary smart people, that have never stepped foot on a campus.

And I've met some College grads that can barely tie their shoes. ( I grew up near MSU, for reference)

I don't even think you can tell by the way someone speaks either.
Intelligence is a tricky thing, I think.

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Don’t get me wrong I am a believer in some type of higher education, college, trade school etc. But, I think true intelligence comes from life experience.

Too many people live in their own little circles and never experience life outside those circles. Then they take the high brow approach to anyone who they feel does not have their idea of a correct education, live in the right area or might be in the preferred career.

Some of the most intelligent people I have met are the most unassuming.

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

No neither does success.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Bah, ever hear of self taught, 'self-read' ?

More intelligent people don't need to learn from curriculum, their natural curiosity leads them where they desire to go.

If I lived in Germany in the 30s and get a degree in Nazi ideology, is that intelligent?

Smart people were leaving the country, not embedding themselves in it.

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

No.

All through school they told me I was smart and would get great results and go to uni etc. But I mucked about and left with zero qualification's.

Worked in libraries for a university for many years and some of the students there were a total mystery for me. Myself and some of the other staff wondered how in hecker's they managed to apply let alone get accepted and find their way in every day.

I guess there's different types of intelligence with academia being just one way of measuring.

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Do you correlate education with intelligence??

I don't know but, truth be told, I have a degree from a State University in hedonism, drugs, booze and rock and roll, it dovetailed nicely with my MA in....what was the question?

40mi from Juarez...nuff said

I believe you can associate curiosity with intelligence,

Poor meow meow.

Intelligence has some correlation with education; that is to say the correct application of your education will produce intelligence.

Anyone can be taught a trick, even a dog, but to perform the trick and understand why the trick is being performed and the correct application to the trick gives intelligence.

True roadblocks for most people only occur in their mind and the percepts they have over their own cognitive abilities.

Education has a clear correlation with intelligence, however I do not believe a college education has a direct correlation with intelligence.

From experience, I’m a college dropout who works in sales/marketing/IT, and has to train new employees how to use our database and basic prospect management skills... some of the most unintelligent, unproductive people I know have MBA’s, and they’re the first people to demand their special magical letters are printed on their business cards/website profiles.

Nothing funnier, IMO, than someone going $100k in debt to graduate with a college degree, and then go out into the real world and getting into real estate.

I consider myself much more educated and intelligent than many of my colleagues with college degrees, but that’s because I’m constantly reading, learning, and generally improving myself.



a reply to: SocratesJohnson

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Yes.

Intelligence seeks education. Education does not demand intelligence. Education without intelligence is programming.
Intelligence without education is wasted.

There are numerous ways to education though. One can learn a lot from the local library, for example. So while I will go as far as agreeing with you that the truly intelligent seek to learn and to know, it is not a given that the only way to find that knowledge is through a college.

Sometimes, that is the only way to acquire the highly specialized types of knowledge you are looking for, but there is a lot you can find through other avenues.

originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
As I type this, the top thread is by "theantediluvian" this thread has may parts, but the part I found interesting it talks about high education vs low education states. How many people really believe that a college degree is a sign of intelligence?

In America, basically anyone can go to college. There are so many degrees that anyone with any intelligence level can obtain.

So do you believe people with a college degrees are smarter then people without college degrees?
Do you believe people with college educations make better neighbors then people without a college degree?

I actually think that subsidies allowing more people to get degrees end up diluting the value of degrees that other people have received.

Some people work in conjunction with going to school to earn their degrees, while other people are existing solely on loans that are enabled by our nation's reckless lending. So that devalues their effort and then the value of their degree.

That really depends on who happens to be holding the "weapon"...



FYI: John Carrol was a Jesuit...

In time, the Jesuits entered the education system, especially that of the Protestants. The Jesuit maxim was: “Give us the education of the children of this day – and the next generation will be ours. Rev. W.C. Brownlee, D.D.

Secret instructions of the Jesuits

So was Stalin...

Stalin graduated as a Jesuit priest, with the assignment to infiltrate and manage the Georgian Underground Movement against the Russian Tsarist Government. Either way, we know he was Jesuit trained, and on mission to enforce the Jesuit doctrine of Communism throughout Russia.

A greatly suppressed fact is that the head of Stalin’s death camps in Siberia was none other than Cardinal Gregory Agagianian, his classmate at Tiflis. Together these sinister Roman Catholic classmates would kill tens of million of people in their death camps, far exceeding the casualties of Hitler in Germany. Sadly, this information has barely seen the light of day.

Exposing the Jesuits and the Papacy: Joseph Stalin was a Jesuit

As another man without a high school diploma, I discovered many years ago that the "educated" class is generally not educated at all, it is mis-educated. The whole purpose of American (perhaps all "western") "higher education" is obviously to bring minds into lock step with "The Agenda." As a general rule, the less official American education a person has been exposed to, the greater his/her ration of common sense.

"Education" is Spiritual Suicide

Modern course work in universities does not widen the scope of a student’s knowledge, it narrows it. It doesn’t cultivate wisdom. It cultivates ignorance. It doesn’t teach students to become independent and self-responsible citizens, rather, it conditions them to become more and more dependent upon the system of corporate employment and governmental assistance. It doesn’t encourage free thought and the questioning of external authority, but rather to accept unconditionally the official version of everything.

What today’s universities accomplish is to turn young students with malleable, questioning minds into rigid, unthinking drones destined to become cogs in the machinery of modern society, machinery that has been wholly devised and developed by none other than our aptly named Machine Men. In short, universities are institutional tools that manufacture unthinking and incurious machines – namely, graduates

wadevenden.wordpress.com...

"...the academic meltdown in our public education system is intentional. It asserts that change agents have been working at the Education Department to change curriculum, not to improve teaching but to promote a socialist agenda. Their role is to create schools which will mold obedient citizens who no longer have the knowledge and skills to improve their lot in life, but are dependent on government/multi-national companies' guidance to survive. The system will create imprisoned citizens that will be managed from cradle to grave to serve the needs of the state's managed economy."

Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

Only when all children in public, private and home schools are robotized-and believe as one-will World Government be acceptable to citizens and able to be implemented without firing a shot. The attractive-sounding "choice" proposals will enable the globalist elite to achieve their goal: the robotization (brainwashing) of all Americans in order to gain their acceptance of lifelong education and workforce training-part of the world management system to achieve a new global feudalism.

A 100 yr. Silent War on Education

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Bah, ever hear of self taught, 'self-read' ?
Certainly. I do not exclude being self taught in my notion of education

More intelligent people don't need to learn from curriculum, their natural curiosity leads them where they desire to go.
I disagree. A strong curriculum aids that natural curiosity. With out that natural curiosity that curriculum becomes programming.

If I lived in Germany in the 30s and get a degree in Nazi ideology, is that intelligent?
Education does not need intelligence as I said above.

Smart people were leaving the country, not embedding themselves in it.

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

It seems for today's students, education includes an equal measure of indoctrination.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Yes.

Intelligence seeks education. Education does not demand intelligence. Education without intelligence is programming.
Intelligence without education is wasted.

There are numerous ways to education though. One can learn a lot from the local library, for example. So while I will go as far as agreeing with you that the truly intelligent seek to learn and to know, it is not a given that the only way to find that knowledge is through a college.

Sometimes, that is the only way to acquire the highly specialized types of knowledge you are looking for, but there is a lot you can find through other avenues.

My response was to the general notions that the op headline asked. It was only in the ensuing posts that issues became narrowed to college education.

There are people who seek training and the specialized types of knowledge you mention. They use this ''training'' to raise them to a certain level of proficiency in a chosen field. Some call this education, I call it training

To me a truly educated person is a person who educates themselves and seeks further studies in and out of established routes.