How to destroy DACA and the innocent

originally posted by: TheRedneck


But that is temporary. We need a multi-pronged approach: a wall to slow down attempts to cross, more border patrol to catch those attempts, a tightening on VISA overstays, stricter enforcement against hiring illegal immigrants, an end to sanctuary cities, and an expedited legal entry system. it would also be good to help Mexico improve itself economically, but we have to fix our own issues before we can do that.

I believe the wall is but one part of Trump's plans... a very visible part, a very emotional part, but still only one part.

TheRedneck

Ya make it really hard to physically come here, make it really hard to physically stay here, make it really hard/expensive for employers to hire them, then make it easy to get all the workers you need on a work visa program where they come here for X number of months then go home. No anchor baby possibilities, no over stay without huge repercussions, no need for sanctuary cities, and no need for illegals.

Then maybe it will highlight the big issues with human trafficking that the left want to bury their heads in the sand over...

originally posted by: TheRedneck
No, we don't. We have sections of a wall. There are vast areas along the southern border that are wide open and poorly patrolled. Have you ever seen a fence that only had little sections up here and there? It is possible, easy even, to just walk around the sections, and it serves no useful purpose.

Sections of a wall are all Trump is proposing at this point. He's walked his idea of a wall so far back, that he basically just wants to upgrade the existing pieces from a fence, to something a bit thicker.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Locked doors to keep out invaders do nothing, when we've given the intruders a key to freely enter any time they want. They do just that, and then they overstay their welcome. They don't break locked doors to come in.

a reply to: Aazadan

Sections of a wall are all Trump is proposing at this point.

Wrong. He has acknowledged that a wall is impractical in areas where there are natural barriers, and fences are appropriate in some areas. That's not "walking back," that's putting together details.The whole point is that there will be an almost impenetrable barrier between us and Mexico running from San Diego to Brownsville. The majority of the barrier will be a wall.

I know it is customary to try and twist words around, but Trump has laid his plans out in plain, simple English. I do not listen to people telling me what Trump said when I get to hear it directly from him. I am quite capable of listening and understanding English myself, and I wish others were too.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Aazadan

Locked doors to keep out invaders do nothing, when we've given the intruders a key to freely enter any time they want. They do just that, and then they overstay their welcome. They don't break locked doors to come in.

That is why there are many levels with the wall just one of them.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: [post=23049856]Wardaddy454

So your life will be much better with a wall?

Everyone's will be. Including legal immigrants.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: [post=23049856]Wardaddy454

So your life will be much better with a wall?

Everyone's will be. Including legal immigrants.

How?

a reply to: TheRedneck

He's done more than that, in several spots he's proposed an invisible wall using electronics rather than a physical barrier.

Of course, that relies on Border Patrol numbers, and that's a whole other can of worms to fix, considering what happened last time we opened the floodgates on recruits.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Aazadan

Locked doors to keep out invaders do nothing, when we've given the intruders a key to freely enter any time they want. They do just that, and then they overstay their welcome. They don't break locked doors to come in.

That is why there are many levels with the wall just one of them.

But the wall is all that's being discussed, when it's the least impactful thing we could do.

originally posted by: Aazadan


But the wall is all that's being discussed, when it's the least impactful thing we could do.

That is not true and also your personal opinion, so unless you are a border agent you don't really have a dog in the fight. Also, I guess you haven't noticed the changes this year so far with border support and enforcing laws that are already on the books. Lots going on here my friend with the lowest numbers coming across in like 60 years.

It is an EO. A president can remove any EO he wants. Instead, he asked Congress to come back with a deal and he got a 'Gang of Six' and a deal they thought they could race card him into signing. It did not work.

Now, all of those kids, because of Congress, not our president, are at risk of simply being sent home.

I stated in another thread I think the compromise is if we are to protect the kids then there is a stop to all immigration for two years to revamp the entire system. Make it easier for those who legally want to be here. Use the money for this program to assist in building the wall.

DACA is this terms Abortion or Gay Marriage. Something that can have a real solution but instead politicians try to pull at heartstrings for what THEY want at the price of these people.

a reply to: Aazadan

He's done more than that, in several spots he's proposed an invisible wall using electronics rather than a physical barrier.

I haven't seen that proposal. I would need to do so to comment on it. Was it an idea floated to save money, or maybe a solution to a difficult area to build in?

In any case, I believe electronic surveillance should be an integral part of any barrier. Sonar can detect tunnels being dug underneath, and LIDAR/ultrasonics can detect movement. Cameras are now inexpensive and can let a patrol see in more than one place at a time.

Of course, that relies on Border Patrol numbers, and that's a whole other can of worms to fix, considering what happened last time we opened the floodgates on recruits.

That is exactly the point Xtrozero was making. There is more to this issue than just a wall. If anything, it is the DNC that is responsible for the extra attention given the wall; it became a bigly talking point during the campaign as the Clinton machine tried to use it to portray Trump in a bad light.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Xtrozero

Last year had record low numbers too, so that doesn't mean much other than that the policies which were already in place are continuing to have an effect. Which in turn lessens the case for a wall, and strengthens the case that we need to fix immigration inside the country rather than at the border.

originally posted by: Aazadan


Last year had record low numbers too, so that doesn't mean much other than that the policies which were already in place are continuing to have an effect. Which in turn lessens the case for a wall, and strengthens the case that we need to fix immigration inside the country rather than at the border.

YOU think it is not needed, where most in the know say it is needed...I'll go with them. The funny part is people are complaining about the price which in big Government is peanuts. Obama dumped a trillion where 100s of billions of it was basically wasted and not a peep from the left, so give me a break.

In this case, give Trump his wall and give the liberals their DACA and everyone can be happy. It is an easy thing to do...

a reply to: MOMof3

Yes, a wall. A real wall at our southern border. A wall to stop people from coming and going willy nilly in and out of our nation.
I should get a say so how my tax dollars get spent, since I pay taxes and have been for years. I want a wall. And more border patrol officers. And more ICE officers. And big busses to haul the illegals back to the border so they can be repatriated to their place of origin. Simple things, really.

a reply to: hunamongyou

I’ve been paying taxes since 1968. About 30’years of it went toward unfunded wars, so far.
Legalize drugs, open border and trade with Mexico, and everyone prospers. But, I understand the fear and phobia that has developed the past 30 yrs over Mexicans.

a reply to: TheRedneck

There is a big problem that no many people are addressing. A lot of the people who were allowed into the United States "claiming to be minors" are gang members of several violent South American and Mexican gangs. These violent gangsters are part of the people who the Obama administration told ICE to allow through. As per the orders from the Obama administration, all that illegal aliens had to do was "claim" that they were minors to be allowed into the U.S.

In great part who is to blame is the left-wing media, who try to claim that all DACA recipients are good people. Not to mention that the left-wing media also parade some DACA recipients who graduated with honors as if all or a large majority of DACA recipients were honor students when that is not true.

Here is one example, and yes I know it is only one example, and i won't be checking every person that is a DACA recipient, but here is an example.

Man Charged with Murders was Erroneously Shielded from Deportation Despite Gang Ties
Apr 21, 2015

WASHINGTON – U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) admitted it erred in granting deferred deportation to a known gang member who is now charged with four counts of 1st degree murder in North Carolina. In a letter to Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, USCIS stated that Emmanuel Jesus Rangel-Hernandez’s request for deferred deportation under President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) executive order “should not have been approved” based on its procedures and protocols. Rangel-Hernandez was placed in the removal process in March 2012, following drug charges, but was shielded from removal by USCIS even though the agency knew of his gang membership. He is now charged with the murders of four individuals, including a former ‘America’s Next Top Model’ contestant.

“This statement by USCIS confirms what we have feared – that USCIS is not doing a thorough job reviewing the individuals who it allows to stay in this country under the President’s deferred action program. It’s no secret that USCIS staff is under intense pressure to approve every DACA application that comes across their desk, and based on this information, it’s clear that adequate protocols are not in place to protect public safety. The fact is that this tragedy could have been avoided if the agency had a zero tolerance policy with regard to criminal aliens and gang members,” Grassley said.
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www.grassley.senate.gov...

originally posted by: MOMof3

I’ve been paying taxes since 1968. About 30’years of it went toward unfunded wars, so far.
Legalize drugs, open border and trade with Mexico, and everyone prospers. But, I understand the fear and phobia that has developed the past 30 yrs over Mexicans.

Oh yeah open borders and everyone prospers... Just like States and cities close to the border with Mexico are "prospering"... That is only if you call "prospering" to have an increase in crimes and increases in drug trade. BTW, it isn't just Mexicans, there are plenty of criminals from south of Mexico that make their way into the U.S. illegally, and having an "open border" like you want would only increase the amount of crime and criminals crossing over...

Legalizing drugs like MJ is not going to stop drug cartels from expanding their crime syndicates... All that such drug cartels would have to do is to bribe officials in the U.S. just like they bribe officials in Mexico. (yes I do know that they are doing that already, but instead of making it harder legalizing drugs will make it easier for drug cartels to operate in the U.S.)

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You are not sure how it would turn out.
We did without a wall since 1845.

The pot dealers in Wash State have become licensed growers. With treatment centers for opioid addict there would be less ERs and death.

Mexicans love their country. They would stay there with hope for a decent life.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: hunamongyou

I’ve been paying taxes since 1968. About 30’years of it went toward unfunded wars, so far.
Legalize drugs, open border and trade with Mexico, and everyone prospers. But, I understand the fear and phobia that has developed the past 30 yrs over Mexicans.

That first part doesn't matter, since you love to spend money to the point that your son keeping track of your finances.

A black market still exists where pot is legal, open borders is easy for someone living in Idaho, and we've had trade with Mexico under NAFTA. How has that worked out?

I'm a brown person and I want The Wall. What is my fear and phobia?