A New 'Haze' is upon the Horizon

a reply to: FissionSurplus

the problem is, when you believe, because you aren't willing to accept the contrary data. The facts that explain contrails and their persistence, if ignored, makes your chemtrail theory possible, but if you look at both sides of this, and do so scientifically, you see that contrails can and do persist, therefore, it's impossible to judge what a trail might consist of by sight alone.

In the history of this debate that I have seen, nobody ever said it wasn't possible, just that it wasn't likely. And the science side, (or as chemtrailers call them "shills") simply states the facts that make contrails and cirrus clouds exist. If you choose to ignore that in favor of believing "they" are somehow spraying you, that is your call to make.

originally posted by: FissionSurplus


I have witnessed, in the flat nothingness of Texas and New Mexico, aircraft practicing their chemtrailing, which sometimes they did in dotted lines, then turned around and did it again. Typically I noticed it was done heavily in advance of a weather front. Clear skies would turn hazy and icky, with the front still probably 100 miles away. Contrails fade. Chemtrails stay and spread.

Have you really? Nothing to do with the conditions up at that altitude? Ask yourself why there are gaps in clouds? Absolutely nothing remarkable about a start/stop or gaps in contrails.

Welcome to the world of weather forecasting. As an avid hill and mountain walker I was using contrails to predict the upcoming weather from way back in the 1970s. Incorrect about contrails. If the conditions are conducive then they will stretch from horizon to horizon persist and spread. I was watching aviation cirrus doing that way back from the early 1970s. This is nothing new.

From 1956

Another consideration is the length of the contrail: it may persist, and stretch from horizon to horizon; or it may be quickly re-absorbed, giving the effect simply of a short plume.

1956 article. 'IDENTIFICATION BY CONTRAILS Possibilities Investigated by the Aircraft Recognition Society'

www.flightglobal.com...

www.flightglobal.com...

If contrails can't persist then why were WW2 aircrew briefed on them? Why did bomber crews sometimes have to abort their missions due to persistent contrail over the target areas?

"THE THUNDERBOLTS: RAMROD TO EMDEN"



At ten minutes fifty two seconds the met officer briefs "Contrails will persist at 31,000"

See footage filmed on the combat mission at twenty five minutes and forty one seconds. Note the persistent expanding contrails and the contrails being produced by the escorting fighters?

The narrator states. "You see the whole story in these contrails. The broad mass trails are where the bombers turned for home. There the single streaking trails that show how the Thunderbolts (P-47s) weave above the homing bombers as top cover."

Even today researchers have studied the impact that the man-made aviation cirrus those bombers at high-altitude were producing.

www.livescience.com...

a reply to: Planette


Ok I have some questions that I hope you will answer.

Why are they spraying the Entire populace and by proxy that would mean EVERYONE?

Who is "THEY"

Are the people doing the spraying in on it? If so do you think they agree with the spraying i.e. is it helpful and beneficial so they are willing to have themselves doused as well?

I look forward to your reply

Woo-Hoo! Seems that the chemtards have move on from Chemtrails to Chembombs.

Wake up, people, THEY are not just spraying us, they is bombing us!

Must be true, there's a YouTube video.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
Woo-Hoo! Seems that the chemtards have move on from Chemtrails to Chembombs.

Wake up, people, THEY are not just spraying us, they is bombing us!

Must be true, there's a YouTube video.

no the mainstream media said it. The bomb cyclone that hit the eastern states. It's time to wake up and stop defending systems that are broken and in place to keep us down. If we stopped arguing with each other and started cooperating with each other we could put a stop to at lesst 2000 years of oppression. Why are the elites better than me or you? Who made the queen the queen? Why should some one with a certain lineage be put in charge without ever having to prove they actually deserve to be there. It should be the person that does the most for fellow humans that should be in charge not the ones with the most money.

a reply to: 3rd3yedegree

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a reply to: 3rd3yedegree
Chemtrails are a big part of UN agenda 21. It allows them to control the weather so there can be a bunch of natural disasters that lets them relocate people. Plus it helps the depopulation part of it. JFK said we would soon be able to control the weather in the 60s so you know we've mastered it by now cause that's what we do. And whoever asked who is they? They are politicians, royalty, the Vatican, churches,the central banks all the people that are in power and people blindly follow. You can bet there not your friend and are doing everything they can to keep there power. Kennedy was going to expose it all he started to with this speech to media it's originaly 19 minutes but this is the part that matters.youtu.be...

a reply to: 3rd3yedegree

Those are not chemtrail planes. Most of those are CG ballast tanks for flight testing new aircraft. The C-130 sprays oil dispersants, and for mosquitoes. I guess you can technically call that chemtrails. The white plane with the nozzle is for icing tests of other aircraft.

originally posted by: 3rd3yedegree

originally posted by: oldcarpy
Woo-Hoo! Seems that the chemtards have move on from Chemtrails to Chembombs.

Wake up, people, THEY are not just spraying us, they is bombing us!

Must be true, there's a YouTube video.

no the mainstream media said it. The bomb cyclone that hit the eastern states. It's time to wake up and stop defending systems that are broken and in place to keep us down. If we stopped arguing with each other and started cooperating with each other we could put a stop to at lesst 2000 years of oppression. Why are the elites better than me or you? Who made the queen the queen? Why should some one with a certain lineage be put in charge without ever having to prove they actually deserve to be there. It should be the person that does the most for fellow humans that should be in charge not the ones with the most money.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yes mosquito spraying would be a poisonous chem trail that they sprayed on the population without consent. It killed alot of bees and caused respiratory issues in alot of people. It's a mute point to say they arent spraying something because there's to many videos proving it and people admitting it. Even you admitted it. If your ex military and that's why your defending the systems let me say thank you for your service I mean no disrespect for your service for the people of this country. But people in charge around the world have taken advantage of everybody and tricked us into fighting each other and going to wars that are unnecessary since ww1. If we as a people stop fighting and arguing theses mundane points we could get down to the truth. You can't answer questions I have and I cant answers the questions you have so why don't ask the right people.the ones that We supposedly put in office. 100,000 people asking the same questions to the right people in staff of arguing with each other might get some real answers and create a real change.

a reply to: 3rd3yedegree

I see it's going to be one of those discussions.

Mosquito spraying takes place at low altitude, using parts per billion amounts of pesticides. One drop that kills a bug, won't even be noticed by a human body. They're not giant lines in the sky. They also announce ahead of time when they're spraying.

As for your videos, videos of contrails don't prove anything, and most of the "admissions" are nothing of the sort. There is no conclusive evidence besides "look up" and "contrails fade fast, chemtrails don't", which is not true.

Your standard of proof may be that low, but others have a much higher standard, and there isn't anywhere near the level of proof to say they're doing anything with aircraft.

a reply to: [post=23052200]Zaphod58[/post my standard of proof for any subject is hours of research and looking at every perspective of a subject and hearing every side of the arguments and applying what I have personally seen before making a decision. I question everything. All I do is read on my free time. There are government documents proving that they are spraying. There are pilots admitting they are spraying. I personally see it everyday. A contrail is like your breath on a cold day. It diccipates over time. If you walked a mile would you look back and and see your breaths for that whole mile? Or would it have floated away and diccipatated? chemtrails cloud seeding what ever you want to call it is different than contrails because they spread and create clouds instead of diccipating. Those clouds eventualy fall to the ground where we get that silver haze on the horizon or sometimes it looks like patches of fog here and there. But stay in denial and keep putting your head in the sand. Maybe you'll be ok maybe you won't. We will see.youtu.be...

a reply to: 3rd3yedegree

My standard of proof is actual experience with aircraft. Many years of it. And more years of study of aviation science. Comparing your breath on the ground to contrails in the air is one of the more ridiculous things that can be done. The two are not even remotely similar.

Do you know what contrails are called? Cirrus Aviaticus. So using the logic of "contrails fade and chemtrails don't", cirrus clouds can't persist either. And how do you explain the fact that contrails have been seen persisting all the way back to WWI and WWII? Or didn't you uncover those in your research?

Most of those pilots that admit to spraying are making fun of the chemtrail movement. People that are in the aviation world find it one of the most laughable claims they've heard, and make fun of it constantly. As for the government documents, you should do research into the atmosphere and where planes fly. Most geoengineering documents are talking about releasing something in the stratosphere, which is significantly higher than any plane flies, with a couple of exceptions, neither of which can carry much.

originally posted by: 3rd3yedegree
a reply to: [post=23052200]Zaphod58[

A contrail is like your breath on a cold day.

A contrail is a cloud. It's as simple as that

a reply to: 3rd3yedegree



Its time to start the acting,


ready

and


action

Chemtrails are a big part of UN agenda 21. It allows them to control the weather so there can be a bunch of natural disasters that lets them relocate people.

Stop with the disinfo.

Chemtrails are to hide Nibiru.

You can bet there not your friend and are doing everything they can to keep there power.

speak for yourself,

being worth more than what some small countries are worth I have paid a hefty price to get on the life vessels being built in secret for when Nibiru arrives.

Yes, If the measly peasants of the world gain any knowledge let alone power no one survives.

Why are the elites better than me or you?

Ummmm, because we are..... wait for it

elite or in other words, legendary.

Those clouds eventualy fall to the ground where we get that silver haze on the horizon or sometimes it looks like patches of fog here and there.

Um yes, the patches is where we hide Nibiru.

Now make sure you keep this secret.


Your clearance has just been upgraded to above top secret. Be wise.

But stay in denial and keep putting your head in the sand. Maybe you'll be ok maybe you won't. We will see.

head in the sand is a good idea just in case the spraying has 2 goals.

Like I exposed via my super secret insider knowledge, 1 is hiding Nibiru.

The 2nd could be to poison the scummy people with no money like many suggest, That could be why I and those my circle have been getting these new flu shots since the late 90s, but for those not getting these new flue shots (wink wink) sticking your head in the sand might not be such a bad idea.



Just look at the link you supplied in that last post of yours if there is any doubt.

Planet X news.

a reply to: 3rd3yedegree


Where did the mainstream media say what, exactly?

originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

I don't know what OP thinks, but I was a skeptic until we had those crazy hurricanes last year. Personally I think they cloud the sky with aluminum oxide derived from coal ash to manipulate these storm cells.

themillenniumreport.com...

Hurricanes happen, and they always have. 2017 was a busy season, but it was not unprecedented.

Five of the top ten (so half) seasons with the most major Atlantic hurricanes happened before 1965, with some in the top ten happening prior to 1950 and even prior to the 20th century.

Granted, a lot more damage and cost has been associated with hurricanes in more recent years, but that's mostly because more people and more buildings lie in the path of those hurricanes than ever before. If Hurricanes Harvey and Irma occurred in the 1930s or 1950s, there would have been far less population to affect and far fewer buildings to destroy.

originally posted by: 3rd3yedegree
I personally see it everyday. A contrail is like your breath on a cold day. It diccipates over time. If you walked a mile would you look back and and see your breaths for that whole mile? Or would it have floated away and diccipatated?

Sorry but claim is just ridiculous.

Contrails are condensation, but not like your breath

a reply to: tommyjo

If he walked a mile in -50 degree air that was supersaturated, then sure, he could leave a trail. He would probably die of hypothermia, but that's beside the point.

originally posted by: 3rd3yedegree
a reply to: [post=23052200]A contrail is like your breath on a cold day. It diccipates over time. If you walked a mile would you look back and and see your breaths for that whole mile? Or would it have floated away and diccipatated?

Do clouds float away and quickly dissipate, or can they last a long time?