After the flood, what did the Carnivors eat???

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Because?

Practically everybody at the time was covered in filth, and you don't want your nice, new Ark of the Covenant to get all gunked up by people who use their fingers for toilet paper.

Except the Jews who were clean
I dont expect you to know or understand the bible, so its a pointless argument

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Soulece

The New Testament doesn’t get a whole lot right either..

1) the Romans never made people travel to their birth countries for a census..

2) I think Mathew and mark disagree on Day jesus is crusifued and what happens directly after the crucifixion.

Exc exc

Oh dear
The bibles not perfect, ooohhhh

Lets clear this up a little
Mary and Joseph were going back to their village, not home country

Jesus died, the day wasnt that important, but if its important to you,

a reply to: Raggedyman

It still proves it isn’t the perfect , unchanged word of god..

I meant village..

The logistics required to have everyone in the empire or even just Judea , make the WEEKS OR MONTHS long trip of WALKING across the Middle East is ridiculous..

What if they ran a buisness??

What if they were too sick to go??

What if they were broke??

The fact is Rome never had such a policy at all.. it’s ridiculous and obviously written by someone with no knowledge of Roman law.


If you are considering the accounts of the authors valid . Then the fact they both claim contradictory things is a big problem..

That means ATLEAST one of two is lying..

One of those two books is a fraud.

You know I had to go to church (CoE) with a service user and the priestly dude he said in his sermons that most of the stories should not be taken literally that the message is important not if it happened.
Wise bloke.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Raggedyman

It still proves it isn’t the perfect , unchanged word of god..

I meant village..

The logistics required to have everyone in the empire or even just Judea , make the WEEKS OR MONTHS long trip of WALKING across the Middle East is ridiculous..

What if they ran a buisness??

What if they were too sick to go??

What if they were broke??

The fact is Rome never had such a policy at all.. it’s ridiculous and obviously written by someone with no knowledge of Roman law.


If you are considering the accounts of the authors valid . Then the fact they both claim contradictory things is a big problem..

That means ATLEAST one of two is lying..

One of those two books is a fraud.

You might want to quote a source about the census, your word doesn't hold much weight, I am sorry

As for the accuracy of the bible, not really a big factor to me. If it's a problem to you, that's your issue, not mine

Oh, they walked across Israel, not the WHOLE Middle East

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Soulece

Everything is not speculation..

It just doesn’t contain an accurate history of creation.

Literally every single testable claim in the Bible is easily debunked, and the claims that are not testable are just crazy as hell..

And by testable claims I mean,

1) could a boat the size of the ark hold 2 of every land species??

Not even close..

2) can 2 Individuals use incest to create a species??

No .. not even close..

3) was the universe and earth created in days??

No .. not even close.

4) were the oceans created before the stars??

No .. not even close..

5)exc, exc, exc..

Shouldn’t the ordained word of god have gotten at least something besides TOTALLY subjective moral quandaries right??

ok, youneed to show the book and text you are quoting from in trying to look smart. Kinseys book of bible mistakes is itself debunked. You are being very dishonest. It is obvious you do not grasp any of the nuance to the arg you are copy and pasting

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: chr0naut
Jewish Kosher laws are extremely 'clean' and existed for millennia before anyone had a concept of bacteria. They are highly compliant with the best practices for cleanliness used in modern medicine.

That is only for ritualistic ceremonial purposes in the old testament. It had nothing to do with germs and washing hands before eating. It was all about being clean for rituals.

And you know that because?
You want us to have our faith in your word?

Religious atheists everywhere now days

It says it right in the bible. Cleaning of hands was specifically for religious ceremonies, not about illness or germs.

Because?

They wanted to be pure for God. Washing hands and cleanliness was only required when doing ceremonies, it had nothing to do with eating.

a reply to: bulwarkz

Then please, point out where I am wrong..

“Nah uh” is not a counterpoint..

I have no idea what book you are referring to.

All the things I listed are common knowledge passages.. so I see no need to quote the Noah and creation stories..

And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This census first took place while Qurinius was governing Syria. So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered, to Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child (Luke 2:1-5).

a reply to: Raggedyman

That doesn’t say just Israel..

That says the entire world....

Which I assume means “the entire Roman Empire” not the world, but it damn sure doesn’t say just Israel..

But irreguardless, lets pretend it does only say Israel.. what about those too broke to go??

What about those too sick??



When you do a census you count WHERE PEOPLE ARE, NOT WHERE THEY WERE BORN....

Obviously..

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: chr0naut
Jewish Kosher laws are extremely 'clean' and existed for millennia before anyone had a concept of bacteria. They are highly compliant with the best practices for cleanliness used in modern medicine.

That is only for ritualistic ceremonial purposes in the old testament. It had nothing to do with germs and washing hands before eating. It was all about being clean for rituals.

And you know that because?
You want us to have our faith in your word?

Religious atheists everywhere now days

It says it right in the bible. Cleaning of hands was specifically for religious ceremonies, not about illness or germs.

Because?

They wanted to be pure for God. Washing hands and cleanliness was only required when doing ceremonies, it had nothing to do with eating.

It had alot to do with eating

why was it important.
You miss the obvious
en.wikipedia.org...

and why was it a ritual, to make people do it
If it wasnt a ceremony, nobody would do it.
Do you have common sense

If you cant comprehend the need of cleanliness and the reason for ritual

But of course, anything that may suggest God is involved, God is real, upsets you

That doesn’t say just Israel..

That says the entire world....

Which I assume means “the entire Roman Empire” not the world, but it damn sure doesn’t say just Israel..

But irreguardless, lets pretend it does only say Israel.. what about those too broke to go??

What about those too sick??
When you do a census you count WHERE PEOPLE ARE, NOT WHERE THEY WERE BORN....

Obviously..

You are right, it wasnt just Israel evidently
We know this because ?
Assume away

On the census, you could be right, no records exist, bit like transitional fossils.
But we do know
The geographical work of [Herod] Agrippa, together with the interest of the emperor in the organization and finances of the empire and the attention which he gave to the provinces are indirectly corroborative of Luke's statement. Augustus himself conducted a census in Italy in and in Gaul in 727/27* [see roman dating system, ‘auc'] and had a census taken in other provinces. For Egypt there is evidence of a regular periodic census every 14 years extending back to 773/20 and it is not improbable that this procedure was introduced by Augustus.
www.biblestudytools.com...

www.biblehistory.net...

But lets be hounest here, you dont care about any evidence for the census, its all about the argument.
Probably all about making me think there are errors in the bible, well hell, I already know that.
I dont ascribe to the bible being 100% perfect, I follow Jesus, I read the bible to follow, I dont hold the bible to be perfect.The bible doesnt make me a Christian, Jesus does

When you are a Roman Ceaser, you do what you like, not what some else wants, video explains why people went to their home towns for the census
And Rome, they were invaders, they did what they wanted to who they wanted


But hey, believe what you want, just dont start thinking you know everything, when you clearly just assume

15 pages and nobody's bothered to try to shoehorn in an explanation for how the herbivores didn't starve to death? That shove-it-under-the-rug-and-hope-no-one-brings-it-up-again angle speaks volumes.

Where the hell was all that plant life needed to keep herbivore animals fed kept & cultivated for 40 days? On the hydroponics deck?
Look, never mind the carnivores' dietary requirements, nobody's bothered to try to come up with a valid explanation as to how a third of the animal compliment on board would have survived. That would be the herbivores. Even today, the 1/3 of land animals are herbivores, NOT carnivores. That's a lot of vegetation to keep on hand, fresh, for 40 days and nights.
Keep in mind that there are also a myriad of animals that only eat a very narrow selection of foods, or only one type, no matter what. Fruit bats, flying foxes only eat fruit, for example. And where were the Eucalyptus trees for the Koalas kept? What about the water plants beavers eat? And roots and leaves? What about the species that only eat grasses? Where were those sources cultivated, in the cargo hold?
Come on, that's a LOT of vegetation-dependent species to keep alive with no continuously growing & self-replenishing food sources. Was the ark full of Breatharians or something?

Common sense says the veracity of Noah's ark being anything BUT a purely fictional story is non-existent.

Ok, so now I am following you, I think. So did they have meat or just veggies for dinner @ #theinna reply to: JoshuaCox

a reply to: Raggedyman

I didn’t say that the Romans never did a census..


I said a census doesn’t require you to return to your birth village..

That is a ridiculous concept..

It defeats the purpose of a census.. lol.


But in reality what it does is prove the authors were fairly far removed from the event.

Far enough away to have NO idea how Augustus did his censuses..

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Raggedyman

I didn’t say that the Romans never did a census..


I said a census doesn’t require you to return to your birth village..

That is a ridiculous concept..

It defeats the purpose of a census.. lol.


But in reality what it does is prove the authors were fairly far removed from the event.

Far enough away to have NO idea how Augustus did his censuses..

Actually it explains why clearly
Far enough away, your 2000 years removed and you are telling me what you think
Sorry, I will go with Tertullian on this

originally posted by: Raggedyman
why was it important.
You miss the obvious
en.wikipedia.org...

and why was it a ritual, to make people do it
If it wasnt a ceremony, nobody would do it.
Do you have common sense

If you cant comprehend the need of cleanliness and the reason for ritual

But of course, anything that may suggest God is involved, God is real, upsets you

A lot of that isn't in the bible, however. I was referring to the bible itself, not all Hebrew doctrines.

originally posted by: Nyiah
15 pages and nobody's bothered to try to shoehorn in an explanation for how the herbivores didn't starve to death?

They ate the sweet love of Jesus.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nyiah
15 pages and nobody's bothered to try to shoehorn in an explanation for how the herbivores didn't starve to death?

They ate the sweet love of Jesus.

I'm trying really hard not to pervert the hell out of that...

a reply to: Nyiah


I tee them up, you're supposed to hit them out.

a reply to: Nyiah

Well, I at least tried to point you to the solution. 40 floods by day, and 40 floods by night! Each one rolled enough rocks out of their parent glaciers, to wipe out vegetation for a century. Spirit Lake is very slowly recovering from the May 18th, 1980 Lahars from Mt. St. Helens. In the Gros Vente river valley outside of Jackson Hole, Wyo. there is a slide from 1927, which is still one giant rock pile. It wouldn't feed two stray goats, today.

Mt. Rainier kinda blends these two different episodes. It has the most ice of all the Cascade Volcanoes, and if the cone warms up, they will come crashing down as glacial melt waters, and probably make it all the way to Puget Sound.

The only good thing about Rainier, slowly warming up, is that it's glaciers may not melt simultaneously, like the smaller ones on St. Helens did. So a series of glacial outwash floods may not be as bad as the terrible one from May 18th, downstream from Mt. St. Helens.

I got up to the St. Helens' Red Zone, just a year after it blew it's top, and the devastation there was mind boggling. At the end of the last Ice Age, the similar devastation in South Western Asia, was a hundred times worse, but those floods were spread out over a thousand years, in warming cycles.

Sri Lanka's Elephants retained a herd consciousness, of Tsunamis, so that they all took off when they heard, pardon the pun, rocks grinding from far off, in the Sea Beds, coming from the 2004 Indonesian Boxing Day quakes. They carried panicked Tourists in Howdahs, to safety, when they all stampeded to high ground. Humans who weren't already aboard these Howdahs, had to take their chances with the Tsunamis. But I don't remember that Sri Lanka, or Ceylon had too high of floods. IIRC, the human casualties, in the hundreds of thousands, were centered in and around Indonesia.

The round escape boats, or "Arks", had to be ready on dry land, before these terrible grinding torrents came down the valleys. The yearly Nile River floodings come from Monsoons, in torrid Africa, and not suddenly warming glacial ice sheets. So they only deposit silts, which like St. Helens' ash falls, make very good fertilizer. Glacial outwash floods just tear the holy cr#$p out of the country side.