A DACA Comprimise

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"House Speaker Paul Ryan says he wants to reach a compromise with Democrats on young immigrants but seeks "the right kind of interior and border enforcement" in exchange."


Can someone enlighten me, regardless of which side of the political fence you are on, I can't see how a compromise wouldn't be a really good thing. From what I have read so far, it would give these "dreamers" the ability to apply and do things legally. How can that be wrong in anyone's book?

a reply to: JAGStorm

The way I saw it explained, the compromise would likely look like this:

Border wall and enforcement right away in exchange for dreamers amnesty and no chain migration. That would allow 800,000 tops.

If the Democrats don't go for it, then they are guilty of causing government shutdown. Democrats don't really care about the dreamers, they want the chain migration because that's where the enlarged voter base really is.

Most people have some sympathy for dreamers themselves, far less for the idea of chain migration. Do you think the democrats can win a shutdown over that?

a reply to: JAGStorm

What doesn't sit right with me is....

"it would give these "dreamers" the ability to apply and do things legally".

They always had the ability to do things legally. Since the beginning, they could have been trying to obtain legal status, instead they haven't. The most common thing I hear is "all the red tape.. no point in trying".

Meh... All I can do is throw my hands in the air and say.... Now THAT's the reason why the country is on a decline. Too many people want a handout and sadly, they get it. Meanwhile, the people who don't and do an honest work for a living end up paying for it.

You want to live here legally? Do something about it. Apply for legal status like everyone else.

Awe damn... Too late. Times up!

If they arrived here as children. This is then their home?
Political based members can cover the rest...

a reply to: StallionDuck

No. The real issue is the chain migration. In interest of "not breaking up families" we amnesty not just dreamers but their parents and close relatives who may not even be in the country!

a reply to: StallionDuck

This is what I thought at first also, but not that is not the case. I am not talking about the law breaking of their parents, we are just talking about the kids, DACA.

"Almost all Dreamers do not have a close family member who is U.S. citizen or who has permanent legal status, making it almost impossible to obtain a green card"

a reply to: ketsuko

I think this is where the compromise needs to maybe hurt a little, just the dreamers, and not the law breakers.

a reply to: JAGStorm

"If you have a pipe leaking, and only take care of the water spilled and do nothing about the leak, then you are an idiot."
-DBCowboy

Real simple to me...

Dreamers get amnesty, but no chain migration and end birth citizenship. Border shut down until real immigration reform is put forth.

a reply to: Edumakated
I actually agree to ending birth citizenship, all across the board. Meaning even your and my children could not be citizens at birth. They would be civilians and must earn their citizenship through service.
Service, guarantees citizenship!


The Israeli model works, you serve and you have a greater love for your nation.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Here's my compromise:

It would be cruel and unusual punishment to force out people that a previous administration allowed into our country with relative protection from federal laws. So, even if it's a tough and unwanted pill to swallow, we really need to admit that deporting these "dreamers" is not in the spirit of the United States as a supposed moral nation.

In exchange for that, though, we need to address two things:

- We need to provide appropriate amounts of funding to better secure our border. I'm not a fan of the wall idea (we all know how trans-border tunnels are a big thing), but I am a fan of increasing the human and technological presence along our border, as well as increasing (or just giving the full) authority of ICE to round up and deport illegals.

- We need Democrats to stop all of the whining and bickering over Trump's travel bans and allow him to do that which is within his right (and job description) to do while we update and better our vetting system for immigrants, refugees, and the like. We do no one in our nation--and that should be the top priority of the federal government--any favors by having a standard of vetting that is subpar.

Farther down the road, after a better vetting process is completed, we need to use that as a means to redo our legal immigration system--it is far too time-consuming and costly for people seeking citizenship or just to migrate here legally. I cannot imagine why, if we have an established, appropriate vetting system, that we cannot reduce both the cost and time involved in this process.

But all of this, IMO, needs to be done in that order and done with patience in order to get it right. So, yes, those seeking legal immigration will keep paying the crazy cost and taking the crazy amount of time while the other stuff is happening, but that's just part of life--you make the best out of the situation that you have until a better situation is available.

Oh, and we need to have our presidents and their administrations actually respect and enforce the immigration laws of our country 100% of the time (barring exceptionally unique circumstances, of course). That probably should be at the top of my comment.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: JAGStorm

What doesn't sit right with me is....

"it would give these "dreamers" the ability to apply and do things legally".

They always had the ability to do things legally. Since the beginning, they could have been trying to obtain legal status, instead they haven't. The most common thing I hear is "all the red tape.. no point in trying".

Meh... All I can do is throw my hands in the air and say.... Now THAT's the reason why the country is on a decline. Too many people want a handout and sadly, they get it. Meanwhile, the people who don't and do an honest work for a living end up paying for it.

You want to live here legally? Do something about it. Apply for legal status like everyone else.

Awe damn... Too late. Times up!

Not true. They would have had to leave and in 10 years come back legally and apply.

Dreamers are just like any illegal in that respect. Correct me if I'm wrong.


I'm for a compromise but only if it addresses stemming the flow of illegals.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
If they arrived here as children. This is then their home?
Political based members can cover the rest...

Not according to the Constitution.

The concept of compromise always sounds nice on the service. Almost every time though one side ends up attaching a ridiculous rider to the bill. Then they blame the other side for not being diplomatic when nobody votes in favor of the bill.

a reply to: StallionDuck

Since the beginning, they could have been trying to obtain legal status, instead they haven't.

Really? And that's a question, not an arguement. I was discussing this with a friend this a.m.and I am under the impression that from a legal standpoint, they have no status whatsever because they didn't enter under a Visa. I think that is why years ago, people were suggesting a solution where they would exit the US and then apply for a visa to re-enter, thus granting them a sstarting point from which they can apply for legal residency.

Personally, I am in favor of the amnesty.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
www.cnbc.com...

"House Speaker Paul Ryan says he wants to reach a compromise with Democrats on young immigrants but seeks "the right kind of interior and border enforcement" in exchange."


Can someone enlighten me, regardless of which side of the political fence you are on, I can't see how a compromise wouldn't be a really good thing. From what I have read so far, it would give these "dreamers" the ability to apply and do things legally. How can that be wrong in anyone's book?

The basic reason a 'compromise' wouldn't be a good thing is simple. It's never enough. Never.

It is viewed as an admission that the position that the U.S. isn't the daycare center for the world is heartless. That we need to allow their parents and relatives in, as well....chain immigration.

Next, it tells the 'would be' future illegals that if we are tough on the kids, imagine how tough we would be on them.

Last and not least, the very issue shows we've BEEN compromising our views, our laws and the integrity of our nation and that's what has gotten us in this mess in the first place.

No more compromise.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Edumakated
I actually agree to ending birth citizenship, all across the board. Meaning even your and my children could not be citizens at birth. They would be civilians and must earn their citizenship through service.
Service, guarantees citizenship!

The Israeli model works, you serve and you have a greater love for your nation.

You do know that movie is satirizing a fascist society that may or may not have used a false flag to justify starting a war with an unknown force correct?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JAGStorm

"If you have a pipe leaking, and only take care of the water spilled and do nothing about the leak, then you are an idiot."
-DBCowboy

Very true.

However the current state of affairs is to reward idiocy, deny reality, And then deflect when questioned about reality...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
"If you have a pipe leaking, and only take care of the water spilled and do nothing about the leak, then you are an idiot."
-DBCowboy

You need, a la Tyrion Lannister, to preface that with 'a wise man once said...'.

Here it is. This is why Democrats are on the mats with DACA. They aren't in a good position politically, and Republicans should press them. They lost if the government shuts down over this. And they will lost if they compromise.

The smartest thing Republicans could do is stick to their guns and force them to the mat and do this in such a way that they can take partial credit for any compromise that saves the so-called dreamers because that will also impact Democrats long-term goals too.

All the numbers and rationale is in that link.

Of course, no one ever accused the Republicans of being smart.