Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: pigsy2400

Don't forget the Annunaki gods.

a reply to: Willtell

Very illuminating post there.

Kev

a reply to: pigsy2400

If you look at the evidence for SWR... it seems to me,
that the researchers got led on a merry chase, themselves,
more than anything.

I'm not a SWR expert, but it appears to me, that by attempting
scientific neutrality, they did not make for very good or entertaining
'bait'. They didn't open themselves up like a shaman would have..
like the Ute/Navajo did, to a lesser degree, as part of their culture.

So they got very little interaction and even less understanding.

So since they basically struck out, I would imagine that Mr. Bigelow
moved on to more worthwhile/productive ventures.

a reply to: pigsy2400

It’s very interesting to note that on the last page of “Final Events”, Nick wonders why he was approached by the CollinsElite. Was he dry run beige they approached the New York Times and Washington Post?

a reply to: pigsy2400

If you will indulge me for a second - I don’t buy any of this as fact but rather a possible belief framework for the Cosmic Club and beyond.

Let’s say that this Heretic Priest / The Exorcist was believed to be right. That there were people being born with special abilities. As much as I want to reference X-Men, let’s call it the antenna.

What might we have to justify this framework exists in those investigating UFOs?

- SRI remote viewing testing (which came from MK Ultra)
- Aquarius Teletype: the original core story - which portrays Aliens as claiming they created Jesus
- MJ 12. Anyone looked up what MJ might mean (MK is technical services)? Palestine
- Ray Boeche / LMH encounter with the writers
- APEN
- Nick Redfern Collins Elite
- RFI David Daniels was an Anglo Catholic priest
- Privately funded work trip to Vatican Space Archives for Diane Pasulka and Dr NASA
- Jacques Vallee numerous writings on religious miracles, Fatima
- Upcoming American Cosmic
- Translators off sacred technology

Probably doesn’t mean much and even if it does - it’s likely only a small theory of those in the know.

I mean, it’s not like TTSAs favourite ufologist, who was talking about gun camera footage over 10 months before the Tic Tac footage is called UFO Jesus...

... oh, wait

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: pigsy2400

It’s very interesting to note that on the last page of “Final Events”, Nick wonders why he was approached by the CollinsElite. Was he dry run beige they approached the New York Times and Washington Post?

I read the book about the Collins elite by Redfern, the new John Keel of the day, and thought it was a good book. They should call them the Collins ass holes.

There is certainly a religious fanatic faction trying to fight intelligence with ignorance.
Using faith…

All faith supposed to be is a belief in the possibility of some future individual or collective transformation not any kind of battle with occult forces from the perspective of massive ignorance.

The US government knows nothing and can do nothing about the UFOs.
They are actually telling the truth
THEY KNOW NOTHING

a reply to: ctj83

I have to concur, that UFOlogy should not even exist..

The 'real bits' are rather small and obscure for the most part,

and it's only the mass hysteria that has been whipped up about the subject

that has inflated rather small incidents into OMG it's ALIENZ!

as a way to feed pablum to the masses, that aren't already choking down
religion or another existing control system.

Now I'm all for investigating new physics and meaning of life stuff,

but if we were to rip out the BS from UFOlogy there would be maybe
1/10 of 1% of it left.... and that would be those misidentified laws
of physics.

Kev

a reply to: ctj83

On this note of an 'antenna':

I can tell you, that on the 'inside' (that I no longer have access to)
there were varying opinions on the 'antenna'.

Probably the most sensitive opinion, was that some people had
brain damage from (apparently) microwave/other types of
radiation, in a region of that brain it was hypothesized, led
to people believing crazy stuff, having some unusual abilities
or both. I have no interest in speaking on this theory.. as
it only leads to trouble.. and frankly, even if it is true, it
has little significance in my opinion.. not in terms of meaning
of life stuff.

Other people hold with the persinger type explanation.. which
most people don't know, has been mostly disproven by some
good studies over the years.. oh sure if you stick some bigass
magnet or field up to someone's brain it will have an effect
on consciousness.. but nothing positive or meaningful really.

Another theory I hear put forward was what I call the "Uneducated
and credulous 'kundalini theory'". Now if you look into certain
tantric and physical yoga systems, it does go back 5000 years
or so, that you can 'build an antenna' with yoga. Conceptually
I don't disagree.. but for every 1000 people who apes the word
"Kundalini" 999 of them are woefully ignorant, and the other
1 in 1000 is probably more wrong than right. You've probably
heard about the supposed link between "Kundalini" and
the Etheridge... "Kundalini" is in fact an older control system
and penetrating past the BS of it is like with UFOlogy.. 99.9%
pure BS, and 0.1% quite interesting.

There's the 'real Kundalini theory' but that is beyond the scope
of this post.

Finally.. there's the epigenetic / genetic angle some people
put forward (you know.. native blood.. or shamanic/witch
bloodlines, etc.. Now.. genetic differences do matter.. but I'd
say that's only one factor.

So there you go... 'the antenna' in all it's glory.. and nobody
can agree upon it either.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Fascinating. Truly fascinating.

I wonder if prion research figured in the brain damaged theory?

By the way, I think there is something broken about your post. It seems to have innapropriate carriage returns...

a reply to: ctj83

I've not seen anything on prion research. I do know that's
a fairly common (but probably wrong for the most part
theory about animal mutiliatons (I mean, is the US
government going to Tasmania to mutilate Wallabies
for prion research).

Now that said.. I'm fully on-board with the fact that
prions will 'get us', not to mention Lyme disease and
other things.

BTW.. can you please explain all this 'inappropriate
carriage returns hatred" that I get I truly don't understand
the issue. Most people's posts hurt to read them, due to
poor white space.. my posts generally have good white
space to enhance readability.

Or do you mean something else in terms of CR? I always
fight them.. I wish the forum would just wrap sentences
for me.. but it doesn't.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I'm not a SWR expert, but it appears to me, that by attempting scientific neutrality, they did not make for very good or entertaining 'bait'. They didn't open themselves up like a shaman would have.. like the Ute/Navajo did, to a lesser degree, as part of their culture.

So they got very little interaction and even less understanding.

So since they basically struck out, I would imagine that Mr. Bigelow moved on to more worthwhile/productive ventures.

The ex-ranch owner Sherman even told NIDS that their scientific 24/7-surveillance approach was unlikely be fruitful. Well, to be fair, it was fruitful during the summer of 1997 when, for example, a portal (and dark being emerging from it) was witnessed by two scientific teams either side of it. Add incidents such as the shooting of a prehistoric reptile and Davis' alleged possession by a black amorphous mass, and what we have are intriguing campfire stories with no evidence to back them up whatsoever.

As I have moaned about before, my biggest bone of contention is Sherman's own collection of video footage and photos taken between 1994 and 1996 before NIDS came a-knocking. Where the hell are they? If, indeed, they even exist. The 2005 book confirms he spent a lot of time hiding in the undergrowth to catch UFO footage (including black triangles), but not a word about that has been mentioned since. Conspicuous by its absence?

More intriguingly, whatever happened afterwards during the BAASS phase of the investigation is a complete mystery, save for George Knapp confirming that Bigelow DID find the 'proof' he was looking for between 2007 and 2012 - whatever that means.

Great, isn't it? Flog an evidence-free documentary (albeit very well made) to the masses but keep anything resembling a smoking gun under wraps. I suppose that is how it will always pan out. As for the new ranch owner, my guess (and it IS a guess) is that another entrepreneurial name from the past, Joe Firmage, is at the helm. And we know how he feels about portals. However, ATS gets itchy feet about such speculation, so best if we draw a veil over that.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I’m afraid your posts have become very hard to read for me due to every other line only containing a single word. I assumed it was a device based issue.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I'm not going to dissect SWR.. as I'm too close to it in some ways..
it's best if i leave it alone.. unless the new owner wanted to invite
me to come visit and met my conditions.

It's really impossible to say what Mr. Bigelow got for his money or
not. It seems the conclusion that came out of SWR, was that
the only way to perhaps 'catch the phenomenon' would be to study
the bodies of experiencers, and that's exactly what seems to be
on the table.

As for portals.. with Ron Pandolfi and Joe Firmage going on about
portals.. that's the last thing that I'm interested in. It sounds way
too Bennewitz/MJ12/Bob Lazaar/Serpo to me.

Kev

a reply to: ctj83



That's a screenshot of my last reply to you.. it looks PERFECT to me.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I dont know how to post pictures correctly on here, but the formatting looks strange on my device too.

Formating imgur.com...

a reply to: Zadiel74

I've tried different browsers and computers.. I have no idea why formatting is so messed on my posts.. I guess the guys at Langley are getting sloppy with their keystroke copier malware. (J/K?).

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Just to let you know -

On my laptop your posts and replies always look very nicely spaced (and your screen shot of the one reply looked identical to the original reply as it appeared on my screen)...
...so I would think that an indication that any problems which other devices are showing in the formatting must be due to those 'receiving' devices and not to anything on your end..

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Unusual Linux distro? Or a CBM computer?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Different OS, different carriage return/line feed handling.

Codepages could cause a mess as well.

Finally, throw for instance copy pasting from a text editor in the mix (some with their own settings) and things might get dirty.

Data is easily contaminated and it's hard to find the cause. Kind off like certain topics.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

We are sort of veering slightly off-topic here. But I'll get there in a moment. You've highlighted nicely the problem with the SWR stories. Where is the evidence? People telling stories about other people's stories is not really evidence is it? Another of those stories was of bulls being found herded into a trailer as if it was impossible and bulls would never have got into a situation like that. Well except when they are being transported in a trailer of course!

I also keep hearing of how the stories go back centuries. I've never heard any of them. I was able to find one UFO story from the 1980s. If you circle back to the start of the thread James Carrion (former MUFON director) says a request to visit the ranch was declined but...

Through Dr. Salisbury, we were able to interview the brother of the original owner of the ranch who sold it to the Shermans who subsequently sold it to Bigelow. The ranch owner’s brother was adamant that there was no UFO or strange activity on the ranch prior to the Sherman’s purchase, contrary to what was discussed in the Skinwalker Book....

He also mentions interviewing new witnesses...

....Our contact person was Brad Newton (real name withheld) who has researched the area for many years. What I learned from Brad is what has led to the doubts I now harbor. Brad worked with NIDS on the ranch and mentioned that after an alleged sighting, metal rods were found on the ranch that were sent to NIDS for analysis. Brad was in contact with a NIDS scientist who informed him that the rods were made from Element 115 and did not originate on earth,

Now where have we heard stories about materials not made on Earth before? Hmm very recently actually. Element 115 was part of Bob Lazar's staple diet was it not? It's like all these stories were meant to be released (or re-released) 10 years ago. But for one reason or another they have been delayed a decade and are seeping out now instead..