Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: mirageman

Interesting how ufos in Vietnam were known as "enemy helicopters". Mazzola noted in an encounter that "they" hovered near their position when they were under fire.. Looking at all major conflicts in the 60s the US was involved in, not hard to look at Vietnam and some of the oddities spotted by us soldiers in the conflict and would marry up quite well.

The attacks on TTSA? Well founded in all honesty and if they don't like scrutiny or challenges they need to ensure information they release is properly vetted and be transparent with how they operate. Provenance of the clips hasn't been produced and we have always said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not some
Avi file on film makers website and mylar balloons!

Putoff, well he's obfuscating what he is interested in by stating woo stuff so no-one takes it seriously. Emf and quantum states is what it's all about with him, that's what he did his degree in all those years ago and his interests and previous works can be connected to exactly that, even if Battlefield earth is his favourite movie *cough* scientology *cough*

Taking poltergeists home,.hmmm. I may surprise some, but I find that part....... interesting. Quantum critters perhaps.....wish kev was here

BOB Lazar said in an interview back in the 90’s that the powers
that be would stage a crash by throwing an old retrieved disc
out of a cargo plane and act as if it just happened.
With TTSA,
in true red tape fashion, they have decided to start way before that.
We get the “OMG there is something in our skies! Please
public help us figure out what it is. “ C’mon...

If they actually wanted public help why string us along with
little nuggets of data every 6 months ? If they were truly in the dark
they’d show us everything they have upfront.
So yeah cute little disclosure game they have going for us huh?

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: Phage

Most of them don't have day jobs, they live cheaply, others drive trucks or wait tables just like all other starving actors.

I believe that. I believe a lot of them are willing to suffer financially just because of their sincere interest in the topic and/or a desire to be recognized in some field and ufology just happens to be the one that opened for them.

Having said that, I think there's some solid money in ufology for the one's doing intelligence community/government contract work. And in more ways than what might immediately come to mind. Say for example using the UFO (and conspiracy) community as a convenient test bed for social engineering studies.

TTSA might even turn such concepts into a real money-making venture. The CIA for example have long expertise in making front companies profitable. If so, it doesn't appear to have been a solid plan but, hey, it's early in the game yet.

Springer, have you come to any conclusion about how heavily stacked TTSA is with former intelligence operatives? And especially the biochemistry and related specialties?

another Elizondo/Knapp interview


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a reply to: 1ofthe9

Yeh I was listening to part of it. It once again opens with an attack on the UFO community and social media who really don't believe these two chums that all this stuff is coming from the government and all the other spiel that we've heard.

Too many softball questions for my liking so far. But that's something that's been obvious for a long time.

There was a lot said in the July 15th C2C AM interview with Luis Elizondo

I think it would take a lot of time and a fine tooth comb to go through it all. For now we can just dwell on one piece which someone on Instagram actually picked up on.

Elizondo hinted that there was a "delivery" made recently of materials recovered from a UFO crash site. This was recorded on the TTSA Instagram feed :

According to Instagram this took place on July 2nd 2018.

...Dr. Hal Puthoff and Dr. Eric Davis welcome Luis Elizondo to their laboratory in Austin, TX. Everyone's excitement is palpable as the award-winning physicists prepare to inspect his delivery.

www.instagram.com...

More than two weeks previous Zondo was in exactly the same gear on June 13th discussing some sort of plan to educate the media after it sounds like they had been attending a swingers party the night before....

An exciting kick-off meeting with Tom DeLonge, Chris Mellon, Lue Elizondo and Steve Justice to map out a massive media education project with new partners...

www.instagram.com...

Somewhere in-between a story appeared on Las Vegas now official news channel on June 28th : www.lasvegasnow.com...

It features another shot of Zondo yet again in the same gear.



I don't know if Zondo lost all those wonderfully colourful shirts he used to own in gambling in Vegas and has had to wear the same gear for weeks from California to Vegas to Texas. Or maybe he has lots of t-shirts, caps and jeans all exactly the same?

He'll probably explain it all as a joke.

But it looks to me like DeLonge, Justice, Mellon, Knapp, Puthoff and Davis were all in DeLonge's home on the same day in June for 'media education projections'...

a reply to: mirageman

Guess someone needs a new wardrobe...

originally posted by: mirageman

I don't know if Zondo lost all those wonderfully colourful shirts he used to own in gambling in Vegas and has had to wear the same gear for weeks from California to Vegas to Texas. Or maybe he has lots of t-shirts, caps and jeans all exactly the same?

But it looks to me like DeLonge, Justice, Mellon, Knapp, Puthoff and Davis were all in DeLonge's home on the same day in June for 'media education projections'...

Obviously he must be one of those starving-for-the-cause ufologists--you can tell by the weight he's lost-- and couldn't afford to replace the wardrobe he shrank out of. Noble.

Material from a ufo crash and in the hands of an entertainment entity. You betcha.

a reply to: The GUT

His brother seems to be getting a bit stale. He should help Zondo out. Do their own TV show in Vegas.

'ChumLue' and 'ChumLee' in Pawn in the USA

Egads...Those two could corner the market on crashed saucer parts!!

From zondos appearance on c2c, it seems they are offering "insurance" on any "materials" people may have.

By the sound of it they are really pushing the congressional hearings too, even indicating some of these may have already occurred.......

He also spoke alot without saying much at all

#standard

a reply to: pigsy2400

What about the "delivery"? Did it really happen?

a reply to: ctj83

Of course it did. TTSA have "AmaZondo Prime"

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: pigsy2400

What about the "delivery"? Did it really happen?

Delivery of what?

Its marketing 101, , drop a few hints, talk about certain things that they know people will connect dots about but then not say what it is, other than what they have.

Get people talking about your product and build an excitement up to keep an interest going. Apple do it with their iPhone as do many other companies that are used to marketing their products & services.

It could be donuts for all we know, but all we know what they want us think what it is...

What I found funny was that back in the day they said the videos they released had gone through the declassification process, then Zondo said on C2C that they hadn't and were never classified but classed as "Sensitive" then went onto say in the same breath that the full versions of this videos were classified, in particular where the pilot mentions "a fleet of them" - he said if that full video were to be released to the public, then it would essentially cause a revolution in how people think.

So in the same sentence he contradicts himself, but also contradicts what they stated about the videos in the first place upon release in getting them de-classified...

Does Strieber have any Bigelow connections?

a reply to: pigsy2400

There is definitely a marketing project at work.

I actually think that we've now entered Phase 3 of Plan 9 from TTSA.

PHASE 1 : This lasted for a year or two where any publicity good or bad was OK. Tom DeLonge was given free reign to talk about anything he wanted on late night talk shows and even in magazines and online. So he did and sounded a bit mental at times. But then we reached a point where Wikileaks revealed he had been talking to a few people in the Pentagon and with political connections.



PHASE 2 : Phase 1 effectively ended with the 'empty arena' launch from Seattle of To the Stars Academy. Tom DeLonge talked corporate gibberish as his minders from the 'business' watched on. Some even spoke up. Encouraging the public to sign up and donate to this SERVICES ALLIED TO MOTION PICTURE company.

There were plenty of mentions about entertainment and building a spaceship too! Not much about disclosing UFO information. DeLonge gave one last public interview to Joe Rogan and seemed even more mental as he sniffed through the interview. Then late Dec 2017 the New York Time broke the story of AATIP. We have never been completely sure what that second A in the acronym stands for though. Elizondo was now de-facto spokesman for TTSA.



Senator Harry Reid also spoke out about his role in initiating the program and the $22m grant to BAASS. This was his only TV interview at the time concerning the matter.



Ufology had seemingly been bypassed. After initial euphoria by certain personalities in the field there followed a period of criticism of TTSA's motive and modus operandi. The huge tic-tac UFO seen in the empty arena promo video was actually discovered to have been a party balloon. This balloon was used to beat TTSA over their heads with. Along with questions about the videos released, the lack of FOIA responses, financial filing pointing to a money shuffle to load TTSA with debts from DeLonge, questions about the lack of a chain of custody....etc. etc...The same things that have been said on social media for weeks and months.

PHASE 3 : Seems to have started a while back. The dissenting voices amongst the most popular UFOtainers are slowly being reigned in and have become less critical. The rumoured Congressional/Senate Hearings seem to have placated some. I am not sure about the others.

The story has rolled on and now Elizondo will be performing at the annual MUFON symposium next weekend in New Jersey.

See : www.mufonsymposium.com...

The majority of the dissenting voices now come from social media and the internet and these are still an annoying 'thistle' in the side of TTSA marketing machine.

In last weekend's C2C interview with Luis Elizondo, the host was once again rather hostile about the internet nay-sayers with an introduction firmly embedding himself to the TTSA mast while not confirming any motivations for doing so. The last dissenting voice being social media....prepare to be silenced!

..Things are changing big time...the UFO topic..It's not changing fast enough for some of us... and some don't want it to change at all. Specifically the UFO debunkers who don't want any of this to be taken seriously...they are flipping out. They don't want to see someone else breaking UFO news. They don't want to see testimony or evidence that the Pentagon really has been studying UFOs for years or videos like Tic-Tac or Gimbal or hear from people like Cmdr. Dave Fravor and credible witnesses with impeccable credentials like my first guest tonight [Luis Elizondo].

Instead they nit-pick. They hate it because they don't control the narrative [?] It leaves a lot of them with nothing else to say.....The UFO die hards have a history of looking a gift horse in the mouth. But a tendency to punch that horse in the face as well. It's all a plot, it's disinformation, show us the alien bodies etc. Some have definitely twisted their panties into knots and collapsed into spasms amd fits the way they always do....

Anything short of everything is a terrible crime against humanity. I was hoping it would settle down by now but the same whiners are still whining. The world passes them by which is what we will be doing as well.

Last October what we know about UFOs changed forever. A guy who's name was unknown to 99.9% of the population outside of the Pentagon stepped onto a stage in Seattle alongside rock start Tom DeLonge, a team of top notch professionals... and Lue Elizondo proceeded to rock our world. He admitted the US government has been studying UFOs after all. That here have been dramatic encounters like the tic-tac. That it needs to be taken seriously and based on the evidence he had seen it sure looks like we are not alone.

Now that's big. At the time the media were all kinda meh! Then two months later the New York Times broke the story about AATIP. A program that Lue had managed for years. And since then we've seen all these other stories break. Filling in the gaps about what we know and what we don't know, some of those stories were from yours truly with documents to back it up.

And then a third UFO video was released and again nitpickers searched high and low for tiny little nits to pick.

Didn't find many! Even if you want more information to come out. Or more releases to come out faster and faster. This has been a truly remarkable period of change and you would not be going out on a limb to predict that good stuff is coming. That something is cooking in a really big pot and it's on the front burner. Tonight we'll try to find out where this thing is headed........

Ref: www.coasttocoastam.com...

The drip, drip marketing is obvious to everyone now isn't it?

But the irony is lost somewhere.

a reply to: mirageman

In last weekend's C2C interview with Luis Elizondo, the host was once again rather hostile about the internet nay-sayers with an introduction firmly embedding himself to the TTSA mast while not confirming any motivations for doing so.

I think of you as much more than an “internet nay-sayer”, more like a dog on a truth bone. Keep on, keeping on...

a reply to: mirageman

Not much about disclosing UFO information. DeLonge gave one last public interview to Joe Rogan and seemed even more mental as he sniffed through the interview.

Sniffing? What was he sniffing

We have never been completely sure what that second A in the acronym stands for though. Elizondo was now de-facto spokesman for TTSA.

Maybe A for assholes?

a reply to: mirageman

MM their just trying to make a buck. An alien UFO buck

a reply to: Willtell

If you take out the quotes. Then you very nearly answered your own question.