Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

Umm…
Maybe he should to hire Cohen or Giuliani

a reply to: Willtell

I never said that the man was incredibly stupid!

Kev

There is a new interview with Zondo from Sweden by Clas Svahn (a well known Scandinavian ufologist). Unfortunately Google translate is not too good at handling Swedish.

It includes some almost hilarious translations..fighter aircraft seem to translate as 'hunting plans'.

Google's translation rather less than complimentary at times too....

After the disclosure, Luis Elizondo was high-fat in the big American media.

There is a lot of regurgitated information. Even about how Elizondo resigned.

It's also important to know that it was never my intention to" come out "or to contact the media, in fact, it was the media that found me. I wrote a personal letter with my resignation to the defense minister. I felt he should know what was going on but our system, our way of working, did not allow me to report to him what we had achieved. And that in itself is almost a greater threat than the phenomenon itself could constitute.

"So when I quit, someone sent me a copy of my termination to a journalist, and so the media came to me. And then I realized I had a choice. Either they wrote what they thought or I would give them my picture of what had happened....

Full article in English : Dagens Nyheter

Original Source in Swedish : LINK

Also many relevant videos, interviews & media pieces are all listed here courtesy Giuliano Marinkovic : Link

a reply to: mirageman

So all of this was an accident?

Some "bad actor" threw Zondo under the bus for their own amusement and agenda?

Zondo is just trying to make lemon aid out of lemons?

He certainly has a sad and pained look on his face in many shots I've seen of him..

and this whole thing hasn't been working at all.. so far.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So all of this was an accident? ....

He certainly has a sad and pained look on his face in many shots I've seen of him..

Perhaps because he was 'high-fat in the big American media'.

Remember that was a google translation from Swedish. A language only spoken by around 10m people. So it's not as fine tuned as say a translation from Spanish. But it gives the impression that he didn't want any of this doesn't it?

a reply to: mirageman

Well...we've discussed this before.. sometimes when people poke around into things
they aren't supposed to.. or otherwise become inconvenient for someone.. they
get handed rope to hang themselves..

I know that my fellow tin-foil hat buddies always want to scream for blood.... That people
want to believe in some huge, unified, with daily briefings across the world, by synchronized
bat cave computer linkup.. some vast efficient conspiracy.. where all are equally informed
and guilty.

But it just isn't so.

There are a lot of sad sacks... multiple layers of people being played... it's not just us..
hell.. in some ways "we" have it better than most "insiders".

We can actually speak our mind.. enjoy general conversation without having to keep track
of infinite lies and NDA obligations.

And we still get as close, or closer than a lot of these so-called 'insiders'.

Kev

The deep state is doing everything to muck-up all opposition to their psychological control. From the election of the shill Donald Trump, whose major job is to besmirch any issues like global trade, and ideas of the working man’s salary stagnation, and start a war with Iran; to this issue, finally putting a nail in the coffin of any legitimate research into UFO’s. After the folly of TTSA unfolds into international jocularity, the issue of UFOlogy will be buried forever.

They're doing like Michael Corleone in the Godfather, settling all accounts with opposition to their rule.

a reply to: Willtell

the deep state is a popular concept among conspiracy theorists..
as it lets them be armchair philosophers, but maybe not to even
vote, as "why bother" !

the "deep state" and I'm not saying it's real or not real... that's
a complex question...

But the mere concept of it, does a massive voter nullification
psyop on various people.. and that's simply genius.

I myself see human greed and stupidity causing the worst
sorts of humans (generally the megawealty) to work
together *somewhat* to collude, to help each other cover
each other's crimes..

as if one of them gets convicted and turns" then dozens of them
will join them.

So it's obvious that a certain president say, will only hire the completely
inept and corrupt.. to cover his backside.. as of March the number
is like 35.

That's a case study of the worst of humanity right there.

But it's not evidence of any "deep state".

Just my opinion.. I'm not a scholar on the issue.. and I rarely see anyone
make a compelling case for the "deep state".

I mean it certainly "feels" "trueish". But that does't mean that it goes
much further than say Bohemian Gove sex parties.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Willtell

the deep state is a popular concept among conspiracy theorists..
as it lets them be armchair philosophers, but maybe not to even
vote, as "why bother" !

the "deep state" and I'm not saying it's real or not real... that's
a complex question...

But the mere concept of it, does a massive voter nullification
psyop on various people.. and that's simply genius.

I myself see human greed and stupidity causing the worst
sorts of humans (generally the megawealty) to work
together *somewhat* to collude, to help each other cover
each other's crimes..

as if one of them gets convicted and turns" then dozens of them
will join them.

So it's obvious that a certain president say, will only hire the completely
inept and corrupt.. to cover his backside.. as of March the number
is like 35.

That's a case study of the worst of humanity right there.

But it's not evidence of any "deep state".

Just my opinion.. I'm not a scholar on the issue.. and I rarely see anyone
make a compelling case for the "deep state".

I mean it certainly "feels" "trueish". But that does't mean that it goes
much further than say Bohemian Gove sex parties.

Kev

I still vote sometimes, anyway
Btw who do you think is doing all this UFO chicanery and con man UFOlogy we’ve been discussing for months now, the rotary club?

a reply to: Willtell

You never know... those and the guys in the moose hats.

I'm just saying that it's mostly the USA that plays these games..
it's not as global as all that.

There are good countries that don't do this kind of stuff.

Who does this stuff?

Mostly its the believers, who have now hyponotised themselves,
that other than AATIP, Serpo, MJ12, Alien autopsy.. other
than a few big things like that..

the "deceivers" can pretty much now sit back and just laugh and laugh
at us.


The average religious/spiritual/cult/conspiracy person is doing their
work for them... it's hit critical mass.

"I have seen the enemy and he is us" - Pogo

Kev

There's an interesting piece on UFO Seekers website. Much of it covering TTSA and AATIP, how the story has developed these past months.

It starts by declaring how the the public perception was that of a UFO study by the US DoD and hints of 'disclosure' from TTSA. It points out how BAASS has never been contracted to search for aliens. Then asserts Bigelow was contracted for a weapons project.

....BAASS was not interested in the “Alien Question”, but rather they were searching for foreign aircraft and using the data provided by MUFON for a weapon system application program contract. In other words, MUFON was helping a defense contractor compile data for weapons system applications for the DOD.....

It summarizes by pointing out a list of things we've pondered here for a while.

Bigelow did not work on AATIP.

Elizondo never formally worked on AATIP.

Elizondo did not work on a UFO study for 10 years.

Elizondo’s role in AAWSAP is unknown.

AAWSAP “did not mention UFOs at all” per George Knapp.

AATIP was never anything, but an idea in Elizondo’s head. An idea fabricated in 2011 to personally justify whatever actions Elizondo was taking.

Bigelow worked on a weapons system application program from 2008-2011.

MUFON was providing UFO witness information and UFO sighting details to BAASS during the time frame of AAWSAP.

BAASS’s work with MUFON was to compile data for a Weapon System Application Program.

Bigelow’s UFO work was marvellously intertwined with the AATIP narrative by TTSA individuals and George Knapp to give the appearance that BAASS was looking for alien UFOs, funded by United States taxpayers.

The AAWSAP operated from 2008-2011, on $10 million dollars (we do not know in which year “Bigelow funded it for one year on his own”)

There were no Alien Metal Alloys.

TTSA is a book company.

It is also critical of George Knapp's role in blatant promotion of DeLonge and TTSA down the years.

a reply to: mirageman

The evidence does seem to correlate with those views.

Now I've said many times in the past.. that show me a "real UFO"
and plasma won't be far away.

This still seems to be true more often than not.

Only.

If you include radar and EM experiments AND plasma and other
"weapons or weaponization related projects"

you can usually also say,

"show me a UFO" and there is a weapons test involved somewhere.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I know it probably isn't relevant but the author of the piece on AATIP etc. seemed rather right-wing in his political views.

a reply to: mirageman

That's ok. They can write good articles too!

From our research over in your excellent Rendlesham thread,
we know how deeply involved various military/industrial/intelligence
people are, with BOTH the subjects of weapons research AND
"UfO's".

Nothing is absolutely proven.. just some notable correlations
to keep in mind..

we seem to be peeling another layer of the onion of deception
away... !

"Deny Ignorance" !

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

A devastating indictment of these lettered groups, TTSA, AATIP, BASS AAWSAAP, all amounting to UBS—UTTER BULL SH__


I mean what’s the difference between groups like these and Cory Goode and his Gumby lookalike aliens.

It seems they cobbled together this myth about AATIP and created Zondo out of whole cloth just to give TTSA some cred.

This was a cheap and very poorly put together scheme or plot.


Not much input at all just enough BS to get the ball rolling

In an age of Donald Trump, anything can work

a reply to: mirageman

Lol I already have a weapon of ufo lore, tho have kept it under wraps for obvious reasons

a reply to: Willtell

John Greenewald is an interesting guy whos done some good research through TFOI

Listen to what he says, On Jimmy Churches , Fade to Black

John Greenewald

a reply to: Willtell

I can't be bothered scrutinizing the financials in detail but what is obvious is that this TTSA has been a huge marketing campaign for an entertainment franchise. Every video has the logo imprinted on it and made it onto the pages of major global TV and websites. Yet the Pentagon has never confirmed these videos were ever cleared for release.

TTSA friendly media people have been utilised to spread the word. Possibly even paid to do so. They get their stories and media pieces, possibly book or speaking deals further down the line. TTSA gets even more publicity from such partnerships while ignoring anyone out there who wants to ask the tough questions.

a reply to: mirageman

TTSA gets even more publicity from such partnerships while ignoring anyone out there who wants to ask the tough questions.

Sounds all too familiar !