ObamaCare Will Soon Be Only For Low-Income and Sick Americans.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Will low income and disabled people still have "Access To" high deductibles that can force them into bankruptcy?

People who earn more than 250% of the Federal Poverty Level...YES.
FPL Income Chart: familiesusa.org...

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: carewemust

Bet she was happy then.

Yes..very happy. I've spent a good many hours educating self-employed people on how to play the ObamaCare board game.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Ironically enough, that there which isnt an accident, that orchestrated distribution of wealth, is all to do with 'health care', following all my years of research. But its about preventing tech immortality for the masses....

I have, I can, I will expose it, but I cant get this all the way out there to said masses not alone....

Shhhh, you are scaring the fair trade, anti union corpocrasey cheerleaders who's heads are in the sand.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The Health Insurance Companies need to be cut out of the equation, for starters. Medicare (not Medicaid) is a comparatively resounding success. 80% customer/doctor satisfaction.

a reply to: carewemust

In your opinion is it impossible to roll our medicare for all?

And would it be on par with other industrialized countries on cost?

a reply to: seasonal

Too damn bad this is "ATS".

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The Health Insurance Companies need to be cut out of the equation, for starters. Medicare (not Medicaid) is a comparatively resounding success. 80% customer/doctor satisfaction.

You do understand that the government is the highest insurer to deny claims, right? Also Medicare doesn't cover everything which is why so many seniors need gap policies to cover what it doesn't.

You aren't getting rid of insurance with it, just getting closer to total monopoly controlled by the government. Think VA.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
If a poor person needs care is one thing, but just giving out free 'The Dr. Will See You When You Feel Like It' passes to lower income pamper seekers is another.

I know a lot of people don't agree with me but I think that health care should be provided at little to no cost to everyone.

The issue isn't the care or the pharmaceuticals...the issue is ultimately tort reform...and insurance companies that artificially inflate healthcare costs.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

and insurance companies that artificially inflate healthcare costs.

As Dr. Ron Paul says (paraphrasing) 'health care is the only known industry where the more spent on any all of it the more it all costs'.

wow, it's insane, it's like we can almost have the power to make our own choices rather than have the government take my money at gunpoint and spend it however they please

a reply to: ketsuko

Where did you get that stat?

You do understand that the government is the highest insurer to deny claims, right?

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: carewemust

In your opinion is it impossible to roll our medicare for all?

And would it be on par with other industrialized countries on cost?

If it can be made available to everyone at a cost that's less than what the government spends per-person on ObamaCare, it's possible. ObamaCare in 2017 will cost taxpayers $125 Billion, to insure 18 million people (Private and Medicaid). That's an expenditure of $8,300 per person.

Needless to say, Medicare for all would be less costly per-person, but taxes would be about $4,000 higher fore each taxpayer. And, there would have to be some $$$ contribution from each taxpayer every month as well...just like Medicare operates now.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

and insurance companies that artificially inflate healthcare costs.

As Dr. Ron Paul says (paraphrasing) 'health care is the only known industry where the more spent on any all of it the more it all costs'.

It's the Casino-owner syndrome. The more players, the more the payouts are dialed back.

originally posted by: toysforadults
wow, it's insane, it's like we can almost have the power to make our own choices rather than have the government take my money at gunpoint and spend it however they please

Yep..for those who don't have health insurance through a job, are relatively healthy, and make a decent income, it will be a huge breath of fresh air when the new Health Insurance rule goes into effect this Spring.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The Health Insurance Companies need to be cut out of the equation, for starters. Medicare (not Medicaid) is a comparatively resounding success. 80% customer/doctor satisfaction.

You do understand that the government is the highest insurer to deny claims, right? Also Medicare doesn't cover everything which is why so many seniors need gap policies to cover what it doesn't.

You aren't getting rid of insurance with it, just getting closer to total monopoly controlled by the government. Think VA.

The Government doesn't DENY claims as much as it trims back payment amounts to medical providers. That's primarily because so many of them either LIE, or accidentally enter a wrong treatment code into the system.

Right...that's why I said cutting out health insurance companies is a FIRST step. The hardest part will be getting physicians and hospitals to accept less money for their services. Medicare pays 20%-30% LESS than what doctors get from Employer-based health insurance plans.

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: ketsuko

a reply to: Metallicus

cute.

do either of you have a real answer to that question, or do you just not care if poor people are sick and suffer and die?

poor people can always walk into an emergency room and get care whether they are employed or not. was that way prior to the ACA aswell. let me ask u this, how do u expect poor people to see the doctor when their deductible is far more then they pay monthly in bills?

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: ketsuko

a reply to: Metallicus

cute.

do either of you have a real answer to that question, or do you just not care if poor people are sick and suffer and die?

I haven't decided.

a reply to: TheScale

In 33 states, "poor" people can enroll in Medicaid. Zero deductible. Relatively few doctors.

Ironically that is what it was intended for,but as funds dry up

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust

I just wish the Congress had done this. What Trump does via EO can just as easily be undone by the next person to occupy the office and the poison pill of the ACA is still hanging over us all.

If only we could finally achieve a constitutional convention. Senate term limits. Forced balanced budget. Forcing NASA back to the moon and mars with a budget to do so...