Is Something Neurologically Wrong With Donald Trump?

originally posted by: Gemwolf



But you don't know that for a fact, do you? It's just a guess or an opinion - not based on any fact? For all we know what we see is what we get.

I don't, you are correct. Im not sure i'd want to know the man well enough to know him, if you know what i mean.

But the point is that without meeting the man, and spending some time interacting with him (whereby some of their observational techniques can be put to use, and whereby he can be asked specific questions such as "Do you sometimes hear voices" as per a standard assessment), to provide a diagnosis is highly unethical and unprofessional, as it can be construed as prejudicial (as well as potentially allowing mental health to be used as an insult, which further stigmatizes a health factor that, honestly, doesn't need any more stigma attached).

And psychiatrists are "people with a liberal arts phd"? So there isn't really someone that is qualified enough to diagnose Trump? Makes the discussion mute, doesn't it?

Im sure there are. What i meant by that is, psychology isn't a science. People put enormous amounts of faith in it as if it were....but its not. A good example of how it looks when you understand that psychology isn't a science is what we see here: people making unethical diagnosis outside the confines of scientific principle. To scientists, and those who are scientifically minded, psychology has its own stigma to deal with as it is rife with statistical scandals like the p-hacking scandal seen recently.

But let's pretend that what we see on Fox and friends and CNN and Morning Joe and whatever show tickles your fancy, is nothing but a persona... Let's pretend that the persona is just a narcissistic, clumsy goofball, and the real Trump is a mentally stable genius that is calculating each and every move and Tweet... Is he this "persona" 24/7?

Should we again ignore the words of those close to him?

Having known and/or interacted with celebrities, and having seen the Howard Stern affair unfold 15 or 20 years ago, im very aware that entertainers tend to have persona's. And when at home around others, or while sitting on the toilet, they are nothing like the people we think we know.

What I DO know is that without any evidence to support any assertion of mental illness (i.e., a qualified assessment or some crazy, wild public action, and not words), i have no reason to give the viewpoint any credibility.

Former Wharton Professor: "Donald Trump Was the Dumbest Goddam Student I Ever Had."

Said long before Trump got involved in politics
Was Trump already a genius strategist back then - fooling his professors into thinking he was an idiot?

Rex Tillerson - Secretary of State: "Tillerson Reportedly Called Trump a '***** Moron' After He Called For a 10x Increase in the Country's Nukes"

Republican Senator Bob Corker: “The president has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate to be successful,” and describe the White House as “adult day care”.

Republican Senator Susan Collins and Democratic Senator Jack Reed caught on a hot mic: “I think – I think he’s crazy,” Reed said. “I mean, I don’t say that lightly and as a kind of a goofy guy.”
“I’m worried,” Collins replied.

ex-FBI director, James B. Comey: Trump is "outside the realm of normal” and “crazy”

This was before being fired.

It brought into the open what several people close to the president have recently told me in private: that Trump is “unstable,” “losing a step,” and “unraveling.”
...
In recent days, I spoke with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods.
As per Gabriel Sherman - October 2017

Tony Schwartz, co-author of "The Art of the Deal," gives his opinion on President Donald Trump's behavior:

(And if there's someone that knows the persona vs the real guy, it would be Schwartz, not?)

And finally there's the Michael Wolff saga which authenticity is still up in the air:

Everybody [in the White House] was painfully aware of the increasing pace of his repetitions. It used to be inside of 30 minutes he’d repeat, word-for-word and expression-for-expression, the same three stories — now it was within 10 minutes. Indeed, many of his tweets were the product of his repetitions — he just couldn’t stop saying something.
… Hoping for the best, with their personal futures as well as the country’s future depending on it, my indelible impression of talking to them and observing them through much of the first year of his presidency, is that they all — 100 percent — came to believe he was incapable of functioning in his job.
At Mar-a-Lago, just before the new year, a heavily made-up Trump failed to recognize a succession of old friends.
Some News Rag

I guess I can dig up even more examples, but I have a feeling I can dig up 1,000 examples, it would not sway any opinion. Am I right?

Examples of other peoples opinion of the man? Are they clinical psychologists? Are any of them partisans with a reason to say some of the nutty things we hear being thrown around today?

So, honest question - what exactly would it take for a Trump supporter to get concerned? What does Trump have to do, before Trump supporters go "Wow. That was a bit...uhm... crazy"? Or is it true what Trump said? That he could stand on New York’s Fifth Avenue “and shoot somebody” and still not lose voters? Tell me this is not true.
That would make this conversation, and any other conversation pointless.

I cannot speak for them. I suspect that a Trump supporter likely wouldn't back away from that support, as the US is polarized today.

Me personally? I need to see him exhibit crazy behaviors. I don't see him respond to unseen stimuli. I don't see him referencing things that no one has a clue what he's talking about. I don't see him exbhiting concrete thoughts or flighty thoughts (in fact, he shows a keen awareness of abstraction with his silly little insulting names he gives, like calling Warren "Pocahontas").

Im not a psychologist, but i've worked in the industry fairly extensively in my past. The most I see from Trump is grandeur, but they aren't delusions as he is a billionaire and a president. I see narcissism, which seems standard for any billionaire i've ever met (his narcissism doesn't seem to be as bad as some, actually). But I don't see delusions, hallucinations, dissociation, change in affect/inappropriate affect...most of the things that would be included in any diagnosis of mental illness.

I think that at the end of it all, Trump is just an asshole. And not crazy.

The president of the United States of America said he was going to host the fake news awards on January 17.
Please, someone correct if I am wrong, but does this sound like the reasoning of a coherent, self admitted genus.
Not only is delusional and self-conscioulsly egotistical. One would think the most powerful man in the world could find something a little more productive to occupy his time with.

a reply to: hoss53

Geez , you People are Really getting Desperate Now , Put the Liberal Cool Aid Down Man , it will be the Death of You.........

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

So this kind of behavior is OK with you?

a reply to: hoss53

Absolutely Not ! People with DTS Need to Get Help ASAP ...........

originally posted by: hoss53
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

So this kind of behavior is OK with you?

That's a selfie he put in that meme, you can be sure he's OK with the behavior.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: bgerbger

You do realize Snopes is run by ardent Democrats who ARE BIASED!? No fair reporting there. Natural News is at least more balanced than the Prostitute and John at Snopes.

Facts are facts, they are non-partisan.

You could try doing some fact checking one day instead of blindly accepting whatever garbage you read on Alex Jones or other right wing echo chamber websites.

I prefer the prostitute to your Rapist-in-Chief, at least she is honest about her profession.

a reply to: bgerbger

I don't listen to Alex Jones, but he must be better than you or you wouldn't slam him. I do listen to Mark Dice who dices the mentally ill libs to shreds using facts. Triggered Libs are repeled by facts, it turns their arguments to mush.

See what happened there? Someone posts a half-witted political meme in a pretty interesting and civil discussion, and it all comes down in shambles.

Well done folks.
I wonder what would happen if we actually listened to each other instead of divisively talking down to each other.
Yeah, no, that's just crazy talk.

a reply to: Gemwolf

Yes, let's not be Meme to each other, okay?

I didn't like it when people were playing psychologist or video doctor to Hillary without an actual exam. Smacked of 3rd world dictators rounding up dissidents and putting them in mental institutions. Pursuing such nonsense with Trump will only open this toward Democrats too. It's a slippery slope. Don't play that game if you don't want to get bitten by it. Pandora's Box folks.

originally posted by: bgerbger
The last few days have brought forth questions about the president's mental state.

Really? I thought the first few days had brought forth questions about his mental state.

Seriously. The past 16 years have pretty much just finished the US government as a respectable entity with any kind of integrity. It started to go steeply downhill just after 9/11 and just has gotten worse and worse until now you can't think about anything that's going on without holding your nose and thinking "My god something about EVERYTHING stinks to high heaven!"

I'm amazed that anyone seriously believes that Donald Trump is the whole problem.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

I'm amazed that anyone seriously believes that Donald Trump is the whole problem.

Spot on! Like they think Trump is God or something. He doesn't control everything like they think. It doesn't matter who you put in the toilet we call our govt. If you flush the turds down, there are more to follow. We need to take out special powerful interests (turd makers) to keep the system without influences of the powerful. Only then will the next set of players be able to operate in the wishes of the people who voted them in there and not the cycle of powerful influences that run our govt. now.

Records Show Psych Prof Who 'Diagnosed' Trump "Unfit" Lacks License

The cockroaches scatter back into the dark.

Yale University psychology professor Bandy Lee has deleted her Twitter account amid mounting allegations that she is not licensed in her home state of Connecticut.

Accusations have been circulating on Twitter that the prominent Yale professor, known for her public diagnosis of President Donald Trump as having a “mental impairment” and who recently met with lawmakers on Capitol Hill to discuss the issue, isn’t actually a licensed psychiatrist.

In fact, Campus Reform discovered that according to the State of Connecticut, Lee’s “physician/surgeon” license expired in 2015, and her application for reinstatement has been “pending” ever since.

Is something wrong with Trump. Yes, to a liberal, there is something terribly wrong with him. But don't be concerned, the problem is actually your own. You're a liberal and reality lies outside your ability to comprehend it. Both reality and the truth are foreign concepts.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: bgerbger

I don't listen to Alex Jones, but he must be better than you or you wouldn't slam him. I do listen to Mark Dice who dices the mentally ill libs to shreds using facts. Triggered Libs are repeled by facts, it turns their arguments to mush.

Wow, awesome argument, I'm convinced.

The thing with Snopes and Politifact that you right wing idiots don't understand is that you can go and check the facts yourself. The alleged 'facts' put forth by people like Mark Dice do not stand up to any scrutiny unless one is into 'Pizza', and retarded 'false flags'.

rationalwiki.org...

Mark Dice (born 1977) is an ultraconservative Christian American conspiracy theorist, social critic, activist, homophobe, anti-Semite, author, misogynist and racist. He professes conspiratorial beliefs about the New World Order (NWO) and the Illuminati and their evil plans to destroy Christianity and humanity, and bring about a one world socialist government ruled by the Satanic left-wing Antichrist who will make everyone wear Google Glasses.

You've already been caught out in a number of lies, nothing you say is credible.

Oh, one more thing, it is 'repelled', not 'repeled'.

a reply to: bgerbger

American Psychiatric Assn. seems to agree with Dice.

American Psychiatric Association calls for end to ‘arm chair’ psychiatry amid Trump speculation

Sorry you seem to disagree with facts. Doesn't matter if the facts are coming from a conservative or not. Stay #safe.

Oh, and your description of Mark Dice is a sexist racist diatribe scraped from a liberal website.

a reply to: thepixelpusher

Zero Hedge is a batsh*t insane Austrian school finance blog run by two pseudonymous founders who post articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after the character from Fight Club.Wikipedia's. It's essentially apocalypse porn. It has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions.

And the Washington Times created by batsh*t crazy Reverend Moon.

a reply to: bgerbger

Apparently you didn't even read this at the top of your linked web page on mark Dice!!?? Maybe RationalWiki is owned by Reverend Moon too!!!???

This page contains too many unsourced statements and needs to be improved.

rationalwiki.org...

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: bgerbger

Apparently you didn't even read this at the top of your linked web page!!?? Maybe RationalWiki is owned by reverend Moon too!!!???

This page contains too many unsourced statements and needs to be improved.

rationalwiki.org...

Apparently you don't understand satire, humor, or sublety.