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originally posted by: Lucius Driftwood
a reply to: AMPTAH
Anyone in this life who falls into a pit has the possibility of climbing out or finding a way out.
So lately I've been wondering what Heaven would be like. I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on what it means to experience eternal heavenly bliss? Do you still walk around and talk to people? Or are you so busy experiencing bliss you do not have any time for conscious thought or experience time at all. I think when you are in a state of eternal heavenly bliss you just exist in the state of bliss. I don't think you have time for conscious thoughts.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: intrptr
I am not a Roman Catholic, I don't live a wicked life 6 days a week and differently once a week. I am a sinner saved by grace through faith on Jesus.
Once again you attack the messenger and not the message.
A violation if the T&C here at ATS.
originally posted by: intrptr
I have not violated TnC, The message is corrupted, you aren't a messenger.
For he that is not against us is on our part. -- KJV, Mark 9:40
originally posted by: Lucius Driftwood
a reply to: AMPTAH
What do you personally know of grace, AMPTAH?
Grace understands the depth of the pit is irrelevant, though it may impact the response of the rescued one.
The idea that there are levels of intellectual blindness is pure pride and ego.
To give subtlety to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. -- KJV, Proverbs 1:4
A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: -- KJV, Proverbs 1:5
To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. -- KJV, Proverbs 1:6
If you are attempting to intellectualise your hierarchy within the pit, you understand nothing and you are still lost.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: dfnj2015
Did you know that the Roman Catholic / Evangelical Easter they claim to be the resurrection day. If we follow the exact calendar of the Jews, the resurrection day of Jesus Christ this year fell on the Thursday April 20th of our Julian Calendar.
So when it talks about Easter in the Act, it is speaking of a pagan Holiday that Herod was a follower of, not a Christian holiday as many would want it to be. This is why Easter bunny's and Egg hunts are not for Bible believing people at all.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
The soul cannot really die. That which is alive cannot die. The soul is eternal.
What is the origin of the myth?
“The early Christian philosophers adopted the Greek concept of the soul’s immortality and thought of the soul as being created by God and infused into the body at conception.”—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 11, page 25.
What does the Bible say?
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”—Ezekiel 18:4, King James Version.
Regarding the creation of the first human soul, the Bible says: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh].”—Genesis 2:7.
The Hebrew word neʹphesh, translated “soul,” means ‘a creature that breathes.’ When God created the first man, Adam, He did not infuse into him an immortal soul but the life force that is maintained by breathing. Therefore, “soul” in the Biblical sense refers to the entire living being. If separated from the life force originally given by God, the soul dies.—Genesis 3:19; Ezekiel 18:20.
The doctrine of the immortality of the soul raised questions: Where do souls go after death? What happens to the souls of the wicked? When nominal Christians adopted the myth of the immortal soul, this led them to accept another myth—the teaching of hellfire.
Compare these Bible verses: Ecclesiastes 3:19; Matthew 10:28; Acts 3:23
FACT:
At death a person ceases to exist
What is the origin of the myth?
“Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato.”—Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell), by Georges Minois, page 50.
“From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms . . . The philosophy that suited them best was Platonism [the teachings of Plato].”—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 25, page 890.
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What does the Bible say?
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, . . . for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, Revised Standard Version.
The Hebrew word Sheol, which referred to the “abode of the dead,” is translated “hell” in some versions of the Bible. What does this passage reveal about the condition of the dead? Do they suffer in Sheol in order to atone for their errors? No, for they “know nothing.” That is why the patriarch Job, when suffering terribly because of a severe illness, begged God: “Protect me in hell [Hebrew, Sheol].” (Job 14:13; Douay-Rheims Version) What meaning would his request have had if Sheol was a place of eternal torment? Hell, in the Biblical sense, is simply the common grave of mankind, where all activity has ceased.
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FACT:
God does not punish people in hell
1. How are we exposed to human knowledge as never before?
PRESENTLY, there are about 9,000 daily newspapers in circulation worldwide. Every year some 200,000 new books are published in the United States alone. According to one estimate, by March of 1998, there were about 275 million Web pages on the Internet. This figure is said to be growing at a rate of 20 million pages per month. As never before, people have access to information on just about any subject. While this situation has its positive aspects, such a superabundance of information has caused problems.
2. What problems can result from access to a superabundance of information?
2 Some individuals have become information addicts, always feeding an insatiable desire to be up-to-date while neglecting more important things. Others acquire partial information about complex fields of knowledge and then view themselves as experts. Based on only a limited understanding, they may make crucial decisions that can cause harm to themselves or to others. And always present is the danger of exposure to false or inaccurate information. There is often no reliable way to verify that the flood of information is accurate and balanced.
3. What warnings regarding the pursuit of human wisdom are found in the Bible?
3 Curiosity has long been a human trait. The dangers of wasting too much time in the pursuit of useless or even harmful information were recognized back in the days of King Solomon. He said: “Take a warning: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.” (Ecclesiastes 12:12) Centuries later the apostle Paul wrote to Timothy: “Guard what is laid up in trust with you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called ‘knowledge.’ For making a show of such knowledge some have deviated from the faith.” (1 Timothy 6:20, 21) Yes, Christians today need to avoid unnecessary exposure to harmful ideas.
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18. What deplorable spiritual condition is experienced by those who regress to false worship?
18 After learning Bible truths, how tragic it would be if one regressed to false worship! The Bible describes the sad consequences of such a course when it says: “Certainly if, after having escaped from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the first. . . . The saying of the true proverb has happened to them: ‘The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.’”—2 Peter 2:20-22.
19. Why is it vital to remain alert to anything that can endanger our spirituality?
19 We must remain alert to anything that can endanger our spirituality. The dangers are real! The apostle Paul warns: “The inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons.” (1 Timothy 4:1) We live in “later periods of time.” Those who do not keep clear of false worship can be “tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error.”—Ephesians 4:13, 14.
originally posted by: whereislogic
originally posted by: AMPTAH
The soul cannot really die. That which is alive cannot die. The soul is eternal.
Genesis 3:4
At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die.
Changing it up a bit to "your soul will not die" doesn't really change who came up with this lie, false story/myth.
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: AMPTAH
Adam and Eve died (you sound like a typical bible critic who likes to argue God lied to them.
The soul cannot really die. That which is alive cannot die. The soul is eternal.
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: AMPTAH
Fact: that which is alive can die
Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do?..." -- The Gospel of Thomas #11