7,511 KIDS Among US Drone Death Toll; 31X Higher Civilian Kill Rate Than Admitted

a reply to: neo96

Hello Mr. Strawman. Stick the topic for once. Your whatboutisms are ridiculous.

a reply to: Planette

If the terrorists would only pay attention to their tactics and methods of operations, perhaps they could better protect their children.

The question is, given their ideology, would they want lesser causalities of their young? They don't seem to have much concern for anybody's life. For example, human shields of civilians, young and old, are common to their ways.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: neo96

Hello Mr. Strawman. Stick the topic for once. Your whatboutisms are ridiculous.

Uh that's a strawman.

Where was all of this “but Obama” and other nonsense a few years ago...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Pathetic.

Since we created / unleashed Al Qaeda & ISIS, its our responsibility now to kill them.

And seeing how Trump is targeting all of Al Qaeda's heroin drug labs in Afghanistan, well I've had to change my position on that place. Thing is we have to transition the people there over to other normal crops. Its our fault they ended up growing opium int he first place, afterall.

1992-1999: The CIA's Afghanistan aftermath.
After investing $3 billion in Afghanistan's destruction, Washington just walked away in 1992, leaving behind a thoroughly ravaged country with over one million dead, five million refugees, 10-20 million landmines still in place, an infrastructure in ruins, an economy in tatters, and well-armed tribal warlords prepared to fight among themselves for control of the capital. Even when Washington finally cut its covert CIA funding at the end of 1991, however, Pakistan's ISI continued to back favored local warlords in pursuit of its long-term goal of installing a Pashtun client regime in Kabul. Throughout the 1990s, ruthless local warlords mixed guns and opium in a lethal brew as part of a brutal struggle for power. It was almost as if the soil had been sown with those dragons' teeth of ancient myth that can suddenly sprout into an army of full-grown warriors, who leap from the earth with swords drawn for war.When northern resistance forces finally captured Kabul from the communist regime, which had outlasted the Soviet withdrawal by three years, Pakistan still backed its client Hekmatyar. He, in turn, unleashed his artillery on the besieged capital. The result: the deaths of an estimated 50,000 more Afghans. Even a slaughter of such monumental proportions, however, could not win power for this unpopular fundamentalist. So the ISI armed a new force, the Taliban and in September 1996, it succeeded in capturing Kabul, only to fight the Northern Alliance for the next five years in the valleys to the north of the capital. During this seemingly unending civil war, rival factions leaned heavily on opium to finance the fighting, more than doubling the harvest to 4,600 tons by 1999. Throughout these two decades of warfare and a twenty-fold jump in drug production, Afghanistan itself was slowly transformed from a diverse agricultural ecosystem -- with herding, orchards, and over 60 food crops -- into the world's first economy dependent on the production of a single illicit drug. In the process, a fragile human ecology was brought to ruin in an unprecedented way. During these two decades of war, however, modern firepower devastated the herds, damaged snowmelt irrigation systems, and destroyed many of the orchards. While the Soviets simply blasted the landscape with firepower, the Taliban, with an unerring instinct for their society's economic jugular, violated the unwritten rules of traditional Afghan warfare by cutting down the orchards on the vast Shamali plain north of Kabul. All these strands of destruction knit themselves into a veritable Gordian knot of human suffering to which opium became the sole solution. Like Alexander's legendary sword, it offered a straightforward way to cut through a complex conundrum. Without any aid to restock their herds, reseed their fields, or replant their orchards, Afghan farmers -- including some 3 million returning refugees -- found sustenance in opium, which had historically been but a small part of their agriculture.

But anything beyond that, nope.

a reply to: Planette

Yep. War is hell.

The personal cost of war is a lot higher than the dollar cost.

To be upset that Trump is doing exactly what the previous Presidents have done is only showing your non partisan thinking.

But Isis has been reduced in numbers also. Like I said, war is hell.

a reply to: neo96

Calling you out for your strawman arguments are strawman arguments?

MMMMMKK!

Let's face it, you love war and always defend it at all costs. If you pointed out Obama's drone strike record you would have an argument, but you didn't. Instead you went full Right Wing and brought up abortion. A woman's right to choose. You know didn't have a choice? The many, many civilians we kill in the name of the War on Terrorism.

The issue with each of these strikes is WHO was being targeted and WHY.

Since Obama wasn't going after Al Qaeda in Syria, well that oesn't leave much.

Who are they going after in Afghanistan under Obama? It wasnt Al Qaeda's drug labs.

It needs to be scaled back to just the drug operations there. And let the Afghan government deal with their own enemies beyond that, until we can get the nation off the dope.

Drone strikes should be banned. It is too much of an easy decision for a President / military leader to make as they have little to worry about in terms of their own people being killed. It restricts the consequences of war.

Trump is dead wrong to continue this practice.

Let's not make this a partisan issue. This is a USA issue and whether it is Obama or Trump or any other President, this stinks.

a reply to: UKTruth

But but but but we have to maintain this precedent where its totally super cool for robots to smoke human beings.

So for all those dead kids, add to that the costs of the program, etc, what good has any of it done objectively?

Doesn't seem like much.

Somebody needs to show Trump image reels of the dead kids.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Somebody needs to show Trump image reels of the dead kids.

I agree. It worked when whoever misled him on Assad being accused of the chemical weapons attack in April. Hopefully such visuals as little kids with their heads burst open or their limbs splayed all over the streets and the inside of their homes would move him to again.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
So for all those dead kids, add to that the costs of the program, etc, what good has any of it done objectively?

Doesn't seem like much.

Somebody needs to show Trump image reels of the dead kids.

I get the impression that would give him his jollies, the ruling class seems to lack compassion and empathy, pain and suffering on the other hand they enjoy.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Yeah I was thinking the beheading video that got him to 86 the "moderate rebels", but that came first.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Trump Stopped funding Syrian terrorists after seeing beheading video

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: neo96

Hello Mr. Strawman. Stick the topic for once. Your whatboutisms are ridiculous.

Nah, everything can be about abortion and guns muh white nationalism if you try hard enough!

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Trump Stopped funding Syrian terrorists after seeing beheading video

That's great, now why was he funding terrorists in the first place?

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Planette

I find it funny that someone who claims the "deep state" is working against him has no problems handing over the drone program to the CIA, with even less transparency than the Obama administration.

Everything about Trump is funny...peculiar, he just likes to be Mr nice guy when it suits to those that don't know better.
As for the drones, who here thinks that if a military hat talks about a, 'surgical strike' means only the bad men gets killed, and that collateral damage is some kind of, 'unforseen accident' ?
Well it isn't, and hasn't been since WW2 due to an elitist, Professor Frederick Lindemann, and an obliging Butcher, 'Bomber Harris' where the idea was to carpet bomb, "area bombing" German cities, and civilian areas after Lindemann's false studies of German bombings in London and Birmingham in England, where he postulated that it would break ordinary people and their society...'dehousing' being one of the operative terms, mostly half-pissed Churchill embraced much of the Lindemann tone, as did bomber command in Harris...it's a long tale, but it's true, and there's nothing to say anything has changed after all these years.
More reading,
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

That's 70 years of the CIA setting international policy.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Planette

Pretty sad stuff. Hope we can get a reign on this kind of thing are pull it in. Its not how we should be living as human beings.