Incoherent, authoritarian, uninformed: Trump’s New York Times interview is a scary read

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Agreed. 'course I voted independent last election, and my guy didn't even raise a flicker...

Hopefully, they've woke to the fact that Johnson is more of a detriment, than a help.

I almost wound up in the Johnson camp. Glad I didn't. Between his gun control loving running mate, and the fact that Johnson ran a campaign that was childish and unprofessional(smoking weed on live TV, being creepy to female reporters), I just couldn't go there.

The fact that Johnson is the best the Libertarian party could come up with should say everything we need to know about them.

I voted Johnson not because I thought he would win nor did I want him to win. I voted not for him, but for the party to have a chance next election. 5% was what was needed for a chance to break the two parties. Oh well, the two parties are here to stay. Last election with the two worst candidates in US history can't get people to break away then it is time to face that the paradigm will never change.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Kettu

So you'd stick with the heroin terrorist partnered war criminal traitor, then?

Heroin is quite profitable. Something you "conservatives" care more about than your fellow human. So...

The utter ignorance of some statements in this thread is baffling.


People here accept the concept that Trump is a dictator and can arrest anyone he wants without due process or a trial and that’s alright with them!


So Trump’s massive ignorance is justified by people in this thread

a reply to: antiantonym

as potus he does have control the justice department thru his secretary sessions and who is to say he is not investigating hillary on the qt there multiple organizations under trumps control they could use to quietly investigate her besides fbi and you would not hear of it till they have an iron clad case. i mean what have they said that sessions was doing this year?

What’s weird about all this Trump anti FBI talk is the fact that the FBI wanted Trump as president and are responsible for his win.

We know Trump is mentally impaired in some way, unless that’s a con. So he jumping on the FBI is either a distraction or a sign of his mental impairment.

The powers behind the FBI are pro Trump, that’s the mystery here

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Kettu

No, we elected a POTUS with a gift of bringing to light a number of indoviduals' mental illnesses, however. Seriously, projection continues to be a problem in the USA...

You don't like Gemwolf's video then?

a reply to: Sillyolme

so ag having a secret meeting with husband of high profile person under investigation by fbi in a private plain 2/3 of the country to talk about grandkids doesn't put that department in a bad lot? when fbi investigated this meeting on the tarmac all they were interested is who leaked meeting to public.

originally posted by: proteus33
all they were interested is who leaked meeting to public.

Yeah, those grand kids were private matter. Invasion of privacy is of great concern.

The public has no right to know what was said about the grand kids, nor even that grand kids were discussed.

Yet, we all know that the subject of the meeting was golf and grand kids.

So, Bill's privacy was invaded.

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
Incoherent, authoritarian, uninformed: This Thread

Yep, the op must be Gollum thinking he is the good guy trying to destroy the "evil hobbitses"... "GOLLUM...GOLLUM..."

He is the head of the executive branch of the united states. Why woukdnt he therefore be the seniormost position when it comes to the justices department? Congress is laws, judicial branch is interpretation of laws and the constitution, and executive is like the queen of the UK. Head of state and military and ensuring that every level of government executes the offices that they occupy

a reply to: antiantonym

He is correct he does not have the power to lock her up. That power lies within the remit of the law and comes down to a judge.

The swamp is being drained. Please try and see past the small time politics you keep referring too. This is much bigger.

originally posted by: antiantonym

It would be comforting, on some level, to believe that Trump is simply lying, that he is trying to convince us of what he knows to be untrue. It is scarier to believe that Trump is delusional, that he has persuaded himself that Democrats have said things they’ve never said, that his base has strengthened when it has actually weakened, that it’s really his opponents under investigation for collusion, that his campaign has been cleared of wrongdoing when the circumstantial case for collusion has only grown stronger.

But that is far from the end of the interview.

Trump: “I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department”

A few paragraphs later, for instance, Trump offers this chilling comment when asked about Hillary Clinton’s emails (which, amazingly, we are somehow still talking about in December 2017):

NYT: You control the Justice Department. Should they reopen that email investigation?

TRUMP: What I’ve done is, I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department. But for purposes of hopefully thinking I’m going to be treated fairly, I’ve stayed uninvolved with this particular matter.

Read Trump’s phrasing carefully: “I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department.” It’s a statement that speaks both to Trump’s yearning for authoritarian power and his misunderstanding of the system in which he actually operates.

And it’s followed by something yet scarier. “For purposes of hopefully thinking I’m going to be treated fairly, I’ve stayed uninvolved with this particular matter,” he says.
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I know Trumpers don't mind Trump lying like crazy or making absurd claims, but his comment quoted above about the Justice Department has to bother all Trump supporters in my view. Consider the following moments from recent history.

In this video, Trump asserts that he would have the power as POTUS to put Hillary Clinton behind bars.

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In this video, Trump asserts that he does not have the power as POTUS to put Hillary Clinton behind bars.

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I thought locking Hillary Clinton up was one of the things Trumpers cared about most. Therefore, I would think they would care about whether Trump has the absolute right to do what he wants with the Justice Department.

If he does, then he's apparently betraying his supporters.

If he doesn't, then it's just another day and another Trump lie.

Strategy evolves or you lose. There is nobody on the entire planet that can justify a Hillary who isn't prosecuted, she IS guilty factually, yet evaded indictment.

The president does have the power he alleges, the people defending Hillary at the highest levels of government are also at the highest levels of government, so if he goes after her, they will stop doing their jobs, which is effectively what they've done since Trump won the election.

There is no empirical evidence and barely even circumstancial evidence of "Russian collusion" and even if there were, even the left have come out and said that it's not illegal. The only charge they could get is obstruction and they can't get that without proof.

Now, how could you obstruct by defending against a witch Hunt that has only one goal, to road block the president, by hiding legal dealings from those who try to demonize you for having those legal dealings????


I don't even like Trump, I'm just so tired of this grandstanding campaign, if you want to go after him or attack his legitimacy for reelection, than why are we not focusing on his real mistakes, like supporting the death to net neutrality????????

Wake up.

a reply to: projectvxn
well than I just been educated, thank you. I was a bit concerned too. As long as its executive I agree he has authority over them.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

The only court created by the Constitution was the Supreme court.

However, the Judicial Branch has obviously grown.

There are 13 Appellate courts. 94 federal judicial districts.

Plus a bunch of lower courts for immigration and other specific areas of law that require it, and the States, of course.

The Justice Department only enforces the law. Under them falls the BATFE, the FBI, DEA, FBP, OJP, and the US Office of the Attorney General; the guy who goes to court on behalf of the Federal government.

Generally, if you can SEE what the government is doing, you are probably looking at the Executive branch.

a reply to: projectvxn
cool. I needed a refresher, I appreciate you clarifying it.

originally posted by: Grambler
People are worried about Trumps words here.

Meanwhile, Obama went beyond words and did whatever he wanted with the DOJ, the FBI, the IRS, the EPA, and so forth.

The worst part was one of Obama's biggest campaign promises was to create transparency and accountability and he ended up having the most secret Government in recent times. FOIA was almost nonexistent under his helm and we had many thing like gun running, to drugs, to plutonium sales, FBI/IRS abuse etc etc all done secretly and all really against the law...lol

originally posted by: queenofswords
President Trump is doing the right thing. He is letting it all unravel itself. He's right. The president holds a great deal of power over the Justice Dept., but he is standing back and letting everything fall into place as the investigation reveals more and more of what the Obama administration was really up to.

I actually believe Hillary Clinton will be incarcerated.

She will be dead before that happens.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: dasman888

BUT... just because he runs the Executive branch... doesn't mean he can legally suspend Due Process... even for a career criminal like Hillary Clinton.

Well, the executive branch can arrest people and throw them in jail, or send them to gitmo.

And Since the Patriot act, they can hold citizens indefinitely without due process too.

So, if Trump wanted, technically, he could arrest Hillary and send her to Gitmo to sit and rot for years without any processing at all.

Those are the awesome powers "grabbed" by the government, using "terrorisim" as the excuse to increase their power to the level required by authoritarians.

Trump is King. Long live the King.

Patriot Act. Brought to you by the amBush Admin, and further fine tuned and utiized by the obama regime.

a reply to: antiantonym

You do know that Obama weaponized, the DOJ, IRS, FBI, and DHS against his political enemies right?