Do Atheist Still Believe in God?

a reply to: Barcs

Totally agree. What I'm saying is exactly that, nobody knows so each to their own.

originally posted by: spy66
Atheists are a good example of a people who dont even understand the science they swear to.

They actually think science disproves the existance of God. THere is no evidence of such at all.

Who says that science disproves god? Usually they say it disproves a literal interpretation of the bible, not the entire concept of god. Granted I get that some atheists might be like that but most do indeed understand the science. Technically science is neutral when it comes to god because there is no evidence to test.

a reply to: Peeple

Great, we are in agreement then!

No, I do not believe in God, but I believe that maybe we survive death on a quantum mechanical level, hence our consciousness survives death and moves into another dimension. My time with dmt has heightened this theory.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Utter tripe! I think anyone of any religion or not would feel stress if saying statements about dying f cancer or parents drowning. How about statements like "i hope God let's me win the lottery" or "I hope God grants my wish" would bring polar opposite results between the two groups. The statements are obviously geared toward getting the same physical response regardless of whether God is involved in the sentence or not. Biased study if study is the word that can be associated with this nonsense!

originally posted by: Edumakated
There are no atheist in foxholes....

I'd say I am agnostic. I certainly reject man made religions, but I still believe their may be some creator. I don't have any opinion as to if that creator is benevolent or otherwise. We could be a science experiment in a petri dish for all we know.

I am with you on that Ed, I believe that everyone if they could realize they are dyeing 3 seconds before it happened a little hope would spark up.

originally posted by: Mogzy1977
a reply to: Kandinsky

Utter tripe! I think anyone of any religion or not would feel stress if saying statements about dying f cancer or parents drowning. How about statements like "i hope God let's me win the lottery" or "I hope God grants my wish" would bring polar opposite results between the two groups. The statements are obviously geared toward getting the same physical response regardless of whether God is involved in the sentence or not. Biased study if study is the word that can be associated with this nonsense!

Exactly!

IMO - - if you're looking for God - - - you will find God.

In ancient times most scribes were novice monks. I believe they were influenced in their translations. I would love to see all ancient texts translated by secular scholars - - then compared to past translations.

originally posted by: spy66
Atheists are a good example of a people who dont even understand the science they swear to.

They actually think science disproves the existance of God. THere is no evidence of such at all.

I only ever hear theists say that atheists claim science disproves god...

a reply to: Barcs

Personal experiences are often tainted by confirmation bias, they don't actually prove god even to themselves.

I don't think first century Christians were willing to die because they just imagined the miracles of Jesus and his Apostles, and if you were healed after being lame or having leprosy for years, your faith would be,"I know God exists". That being said I don't believe those miracles have continued into our time as they served their purpose, and that was to pull people out of Judaism and paganism in the first century alone.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
I don't think first century Christians were willing to die because they just imagined the miracles of Jesus and his Apostles, and if you were healed after being lame or having leprosy for years, your faith would be,"I know God exists". That being said I don't believe those miracles have continued into our time as they served their purpose, and that was to pull people out of Judaism and paganism in the first century alone.

Yeah, but nobody can prove that actually happened, it's all based on ancient stories and legends. Many modern Muslims are also willing to die for their faith. That doesn't make it true, there are martyrs in pretty much every religion known to man in their respective scriptures. Even if somebody did get healed from leprosy, how would they know god did it, let alone which one? They wouldn't, they'd assume it and then believe whichever religion they are conditioned to.

a reply to: Barcs

Regarding the leprosy, if you had it for 20 years and it was getting worse eating away all your extremities, and you were instantly healed in seconds by Jesus, that is a miracle even modern science can't accomplish, I think it would be pretty convincing to the person that got healed.

But then again you would have to believe that miracles like these were possible during the biblical era...which you don't.

originally posted by: spy66
Everything we know of is created. Even what ever we make is created by design.

And what are you implying? That some prime mover created everything that we then 'create' with?

It is to bad that moste of you dont know what "Infintie" is...... it would have made this much les complicated.

Of course, another ATSer in possession of knowledge and understanding 'no one' else is privy to.

If i say that only one viod can be infinte.,....... all of you get confused.

Assuming you meant 'void' - what's so confusing? I'm not confused. Why don't you elaborate more?

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Regarding the leprosy, if you had it for 20 years and it was getting worse eating away all your extremities, and you were instantly healed in seconds by Jesus, that is a miracle even modern science can't accomplish, I think it would be pretty convincing to the person that got healed.

Let's assume that were true - it still doesn't prove God exists or that this character Jesus was divine or the son of God. Maybe Jesus had some medication that we don't know about today.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: Barcs

Regarding the leprosy, if you had it for 20 years and it was getting worse eating away all your extremities, and you were instantly healed in seconds by Jesus, that is a miracle even modern science can't accomplish, I think it would be pretty convincing to the person that got healed.

But then again you would have to believe that miracles like these were possible during the biblical era...which you don't.

The massive flaw in your argument is that such miracles are only recorded in the bible, which is not a historical document. You can't prove something by using the only source that it's mentioned in. That's like saying that I can prove the existence of James Bigglesworth by using the Biggles novels.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

the bible, which is not a historical document.

That statement is a half truth, half lie; meant to deceive those that just don't know any better, and I need to call it out. When secular sources that are non-biblical line up with what the bible records then it is also an historical document and is quoted in encyclopedia's as such. They even reference the exact bible book and verses when they use it.

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: spy66
Atheists are a good example of a people who dont even understand the science they swear to.

Please explain... how do i not understand the science i swear to

How do you explain something to the dumbest People on Earth?

It cant be done.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

the bible, which is not a historical document.

That statement is a half truth, half lie; meant to deceive those that just don't know any better, and I need to call it out. When secular sources that are non-biblical line up with what the bible records then it is also an historical document and is quoted in encyclopedia's as such. They even reference the exact bible book and verses when they use it.

Very little of the bible can be reliably linked to archaeological data. There is no proof of the Exodus whatsoever, the 'conquest' of the Canaanites, the great kingdom of David and Solomon (Jerusalem seems to have been much smaller at the time), the existence of camels in Judea, iron tools in the Bronze Age period or the existence of the Patriarchs. The Hittites, one of the regions superpowers, are barely mentioned, and don't get me started about the historicity of Jesus, which is deeply uncertain.
The bible is a religious document, written to explain to people how the world around them came to exist.

originally posted by: spy66
How do you explain something to the dumbest People on Earth?
It cant be done.

Ok, I'll take it you are incapable of explaining your thought processes or your statements and are simply ill equipped to engage in a proper debate or discussion.

What else could one expect from a religious zealot?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

In short you are just wrong, I have spent my life studying this very topic, what you are saying is uneducated opinion.
But you have given me an idea for a new thread topic in the future.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

In short you are just wrong, I have spent my life studying this very topic, what you are saying is uneducated opinion.
But you have given me an idea for a new thread topic in the future.

Fair enough. I look forwards to disagreeing with you on such a thread in a civil and reasonable manner.