The most evil verse in the Bible Peter 2 18 how can this even exist

Evil is always where you least expect it. The Holy Bible is supposed to be the inspired word of God. Or for some people, Gods given word for absolute truth. I think over the centuries the scribes and translators have obscured the original message and it's now just the word of man. My evidence for this is Peter 2:18.

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

This has got to be the most evil and immoral verse in the Bible. How can the Bible be so wrong on slavery it were not written by men.

I think the Bible needs to be read as metaphor not to be taken out of the historical context in which it was written. I think some of the crazy stuff needs to be ignored and the essential message that morality is important still needs to be important.

But for people who are looking for an absolute authority on moral truth I'm not sure the Bible works today. For example, when dating a young girl "no" always means "no". Clearly this is not in the Bible but is probably one of man's greatest possible sins in today's society if a man forces himself on a women sexually without her permission. My point is not about sex but about what is sin and what is not sin changes over time. Every culture has its "rights" and "wrongs". Take murder for example. Murder is immoral yet people still support the death penalty.

I'm still kind of awed by the idea that the Bible got slavery so wrong in its verses. Not just slavery but the who superstitious idea behind animal sacrifice seems pretty wrong to me. The laws of physics are relentless no matter how many animals are sacrificed to God.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I wonder when will they start calling the bible 'racist'...

a reply to: dfnj2015

I think you aren't seeing the bigger picture. Back then and even today in many places around the world slavery was a hard truth. It exists, and we are taught hiw to conduct ourselves as followers of Jesus when dealing with our enslavement to man. Submit oneself to God. Be a slave to Jesus. Humility is key to a spirirually fruitful existence, and that humility is a reflection of one's submission to Jesus. Because we are all slaves to something. This doesn't condone such kinds of slavery, but rather it instructs one how to deal with such enslavement with his head held high in spirit. It does not tell one to obey a master who insists he go against God's word.

It's the same principle as treating your enemies well. What credit is it to one treating those who are good to him with kindness? None. Even evil ones will treat their comrads well.

And rape is a sin. Always has been; always will be. Sex must be with consent and within marriage.

The bible is relevant today as it was yeaterday. Murder is murder. Justified killing is not murder. When is it justified? Read the Bible with the Spirit, and you'll know.

masters? as in plural? more than one god? hmmm

We all have one chance to live here on Earth, why should one who is unfortunate enough to be cast into slavery not have an opportunity at salvation? There are millions in slavery today, building Dubai for instance. There are billions who are Muslim who have no problem with slavery and wherever they come into power, enact some form of it. Is there no hope of salvation for them unfortunate infidels just because they are trapped in the reality of slavery? If the Bible taught hate then you would be correct that verse does not belong there, but it doesn't.

Since you are dead set on slavery as the ultimate evil, guess where that places all Muslims?

a reply to: dfnj2015

It is an extension of turning the other cheek.

Christ said if they strike you then give them your other cheek to strike you again. Christ taught not to take revenge and not even to defend oneself.

Hate depends upon reaction. It feeds off it. Christ is taking away hate's reason to live. If you act like a piece of rock all the fun is gone of getting a response to see the pain.

Do you not understand this? I do this all of the time. It works really well. It will damn the world and all the hate in it if everybody did this. GOD is the Judge. Christ knew this. He knew that Judgement was being heaed upon them by the evil actions of their own hands, by the only One who is fit to judge and that is GOD. It is mighty hard to withdraw and not be a judge. Be assured nobody gets away with anything in this Creatrion. It might look like they do, but they don't. That is the whole point. We fight battles that are squabbles we make. The Bible says be quiet and let the Lord tell you which battle He is fighting and whether He wants you to be his soldier in that particular instance.

Much more foolish to show a reaction and let your enemy see they are managing to inflict pain on you.

Christ didn't even shout or shed tears when they put Him on a cross. The only account of him weeping was over Jerusalem because he knew what horrors awaited those people. Rome slaughtered the place and razed it total.

You go your way if you think it will do any good, but it will be entirely lame and hate will love watching the pain and the tears. I'll go mine and stay solid as a rock, no tears, no reaction, just another cheek.

Martin Luther King did not oppose them. he was very successful in changing the status quo. He learned this from Christ as he was a Baptist Minister. One of the best!

Try it your way and see what happens as an experiment. try it Christ's Way and watch your enemy defeated by God according to His righteous Justice. Human justice of any kind is no justice at all. It is blow for blow, brutal continuation of the beast nature of humans.

There is not a human being in eixistence, now otr at any time who knew what good and evil is. They think they do. That is the greatest deceit of all.

a reply to: dfnj2015


As with any fairy tail you can blindly accept a story as just that, "fiction" or you can believe everything you read in which case whatever you do make sure that horses and kings men do not attempt to give life saving medical attention to eggs that fall off walls esp if they do not have adequate third party liability insurance.

Also be very wary of wolfs as they have been known to blow houses down.......


Regarding the Christian Vs Muslim angle, well honestly they are both as bad as each other, but something does have to be said when Buddhist nations flatly refuse to recognize Islam due to it's teachings..

RA

double post.

originally posted by: slider1982
a reply to: dfnj2015


As with any fairy tail you can blindly accept a story as just that, "fiction" or you can believe everything you read in which case whatever you do make sure that horses and kings men do not attempt to give life saving medical attention to eggs that fall off walls esp if they do not have adequate third party liability insurance.

Also be very wary of wolfs as they have been known to blow houses down.......


Regarding the Christian Vs Muslim angle, well honestly they are both as bad as each other, but something does have to be said when Buddhist nations flatly refuse to recognize Islam due to it's teachings..

RA

Enlighten me. Why are they fairy tales? Is Buddhism a fairy tale or is that true just because you think it is and omnipotent you should be the one to know what is truth and what is not truth? Why do you think you have some extra skill of knowing truth above people who have a religion? It does not look like it from here when I read words like that, I assure you. It looks like ignorance and zero understanding of religion and its very REAL presence and consequence in the world all through history and today as much as ever.

a reply to: Revolution9

Do you not see the genius of what Christ did and what Peter did?

Peter was just some northerner fisherman yokel type and here we are discussing him 2000 years later. History did not forget him, did it.

Christ, they might say, was lame because He would not be what Judas wanted Him to be in terms of being militarily proactive. If he had been all he would be now be is just another Jewish dead rebel who failed and got he and his mates slaughtered by the Romans for nothing.

Both He and Peter did get slaughtered, but seemingly it was not for nothing. Look what Christ is in the world now. You either love Him or you hate Him. It is really best not to have Christ as an enemy. You will never win against Him. He has us all in the snare he laid when He visited. It is actually impossible to escape Him.

The slaves would have just been beaten even harder for resisting, back chatting or trying to escape. When it gets that bad all you can do is keep a low profile and not give them any more reason to want to hurt you more than they are already doing. Be sure, the animal you are turning them into will become too sick to live and they will perish in their own excesses of brutality because of what beasts of ignorance their own minds and deeds turn them into. It works every time. You have to be patient. It might take generations even, but any house built on anything other than solid rock of fairness is going to be washed away by its own lack of foundation when the storm comes to test our strength. look what happened to Rom! Caesar went nuts did he not and set fire to Rome himself. Hilter did the same thing. When they go that insane they do not last very long, none of them. These billionaitres who are taking everything from us will fall on their own swords. They will become so greedy that they will lose their edge and their enemy will take them out like a thief in the night. It will hit them like a steam train when they are expecting it least.

If you really want to see your enemy taken out with righteous flames of justice leave it to God. HE seems to lead them to temptation big time, right onto the point of the sword they pierced you with. It's divinely awesome.

a reply to: Revolution9


Not at all, my use of using Buddhist as a reference was one where people live by Karma and as such are far more accepting than most (Personal experience) They still believe in this way of being via stories..

Me personally I am a Athiest and if people want to believe in stories that where told thousands of years ago with questionable motives or misunderstanding situations then so be it..

Aztecs sacrificed children to make sure the sun would rise the next day, I can firmly call that out as absurd, shame it is to late for the kids that had their hearts ripped out!!!!.... At a period in time this behaviour and action was accepted and totally normal.

Quite how anyone can look at world history and say religion has been anything but a burden is beyond me.
Show me hard data that god exists and I will be all for listening, I actually respect a answer of "I am not sure", which is a very valid answer. sadly all I see is a control mechanism that does more harm than good.

Whilst I can call out Islam for having a war mongering child marrying pervert as it teacher, the Christian faith and more directly the Catholic church has much to answer to. Locking street children up during the popes visit to the Philippines shocked me to my f#cking core.. A fundamental situation that was caused by the church refusing to accept the use of birth control!!...

Amazing that we have not had any more world shifting spiritual situations these last who knows how many hundreds of years???, will the messiah was to show up in Time square?.. It would certainly convert the world instantly and forever so job done.. My money is on that not happening..

If people have faith in what is told to them, great run with it, personally I need slightly more evidence than that. And yes I was dragged to church as a child and it made as much sense then as it does now..

RA

I have a problem with with anything that didn't come directly from Christ's own teachings. His disciples were constantly misunderstanding what he said and he had to keep explaining what he meant. Then there is the Old Testament, unless it was a directly quoted verse endorsed by Christ, it has little to do with Christians IMO.

I'd have to believe that Matthew 6:24, although concerning money as a master over God, could work against what Peter had said concerning slavery, unless he was referring to indentured servitude. Having an obligation to indentured servitude could be what Peter was talking about. You can willingly become a slave if you owe someone money and become an indentured servant. That's more about being straight in a business deal unless you were forced into slavery for life against your will.

"No one can serve two masters, because either he will hate one and love the other, or be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and riches!"

a reply to: dfnj2015

The human governments are not god’s kingdom. That is yet to come, “thy kingdom come...”. They belong to evil. The Bible is ancient stories of good people trying to live amongst corruption and unknowns. At least the writers tried to give slaves hope.

originally posted by: slider1982
a reply to: Revolution9


Not at all, my use of using Buddhist as a reference was one where people live by Karma and as such are far more accepting than most (Personal experience) They still believe in this way of being via stories..

Me personally I am a Athiest and if people want to believe in stories that where told thousands of years ago with questionable motives or misunderstanding situations then so be it..

Aztecs sacrificed children to make sure the sun would rise the next day, I can firmly call that out as absurd, shame it is to late for the kids that had their hearts ripped out!!!!.... At a period in time this behaviour and action was accepted and totally normal.

Quite how anyone can look at world history and say religion has been anything but a burden is beyond me.
Show me hard data that god exists and I will be all for listening, I actually respect a answer of "I am not sure", which is a very valid answer. sadly all I see is a control mechanism that does more harm than good.

Whilst I can call out Islam for having a war mongering child marrying pervert as it teacher, the Christian faith and more directly the Catholic church has much to answer to. Locking street children up during the popes visit to the Philippines shocked me to my f#cking core..

Amazing that we have not had any more world shifting spiritual situations these last who knows how many hundreds of years???, will the messiah was to show up in Time square?.. It would certainly convert the world instantly and forever so job done.. My money is on that not happening..

If people have faith in what is told to them, great run with it, personally I need slightly more evidence than that. And yes I was dragged to church as a child and it made as much sense then as it does now..

RA

They are NOT stories. They are true accounts of true people. Buddhism comes from a man who really did walk the earth and the account we have of him and the same for Christ. Christ taught karma just the same because it is real. They who live by the sword die by the sword is no different to reap what you sow to what you put out comes back at you. It is just that Christ's Father is forgiving and can waiver the fee if we repent. Christ is kinder than Karma and so are His followers.

Even though I have enemies I do not want them to be hurt. I would be no better than them if I did. I want them to learn so the world can be rid of the evil they bring into it, that is all. It is quite logical.

Okay, no more arguement. I have said my piece as you have your's. We are both fairly represented.

Its called humility. A lot of folks need to install a bit of that.

Humility

noun noun: humility
a modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness.

Defs from Google

I'm assuming you haven't heard this one before?

1 Samuel 15
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

The NT doesn't hold a candle to the OT when it comes to brutality and remorselessness.

I am surprised that people still read that fairy tale, in the year 2017.

Different time, also Christianity has gone through an enlighten period since then. No Christian follows this doctrine.

Edit: Iam in no way religious, but its plain as day.

a reply to: dfnj2015

What buisness is it of yours how Christians are called to act
Nobody is demanding it of you if you are not a Christian

It's our choice, make your own and leave us to choose our own road

Nothing worse than a preachy atheist

and what would you prefer, slave revolt and 10,000s dead.
Jesus message was to Christians and for peace, you want violence

a reply to: Raggedyman

I’ll remember this argument the next abortion debate. I actually agree with it. But you are as a Christian commanded to be a light to the world. Different from atheists and other religions.