Killing Net Neutrality has brought a new call for Public Broadband

In any industry, if there are excessive profits being made, then new entrants will seek to enter the market to provide better service cheaper. It is how free markets work. Greed is actually what drives down prices as it creates competition.

Monopolies and Oligopolies are usually created by government interference creating regulations and barriers to entry. This is why large companies often push for these regulations.

originally posted by: Edumakated
In any industry, if there are excessive profits being made, then new entrants will seek to enter the market to provide better service cheaper. It is how free markets work. Greed is actually what drives down prices as it creates competition.

Monopolies and Oligopolies are usually created by government interference creating regulations and barriers to entry. This is why large companies often push for these regulations.

There are NO free markets in this country. Everything is a monopoly and cartel controlled by legislation. This government has absolutely no interest in BIG government interference in corporations in order to have free and open markets. They just don't exist. Barriers to market entry are everywhere.

a reply to: ADSE255

Agreed. Corporations want to monetize everything. Nestle wants to monetize water, and every single ISP wants to monetize the internet in every possible way. They will try this, they will try that...whatever doesn't work will get changed at the end of your yearly contract.

What's gonna happen when your ISP decides that ATS doesn't fit their political ideology?

originally posted by: ADSE255
a reply to: ketsuko

And..That's a YUGE problem seeing as America is a Corp.

"Americans" per se aren't a corporation. What they mean when they "American interests" is their own greedy corporate pockets. They hide behind the facade of being american but really their investments , factories and profits are off shore, hidden from paying taxes, tariffs and "Americans" benefits.

We get to buy their cheap 'product', full retail, plus tax.

originally posted by: Edumakated
In any industry, if there are excessive profits being made, then new entrants will seek to enter the market to provide better service cheaper. It is how free markets work. Greed is actually what drives down prices as it creates competition.

Monopolies and Oligopolies are usually created by government interference creating regulations and barriers to entry. This is why large companies often push for these regulations.

Yes, that did happen with long distance services for a short while. Until all the long distance services were bought out, or rents for the services were raised to ridiculous levels.

Monopolies control almost every consumer good you have, own, use, or will use. There are very few goods that are not under 100% control by monopolies.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: ADSE255

Agreed. Corporations want to monetize everything. Nestle wants to monetize water, and every single ISP wants to monetize the internet in every possible way. They will try this, they will try that...whatever doesn't work will get changed at the end of your yearly contract.

What's gonna happen when your ISP decides that ATS doesn't fit their political ideology?

It doesn't. Because we destroy the illusion of Humpty Dumpty in about two seconds.

Free roaming and sharing of ideas, including countering the official narrative on the world wide web is the thorn in their side. Places like ATS will become so marginalized they will eventually close down.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Edumakated
In any industry, if there are excessive profits being made, then new entrants will seek to enter the market to provide better service cheaper. It is how free markets work. Greed is actually what drives down prices as it creates competition.

Monopolies and Oligopolies are usually created by government interference creating regulations and barriers to entry. This is why large companies often push for these regulations.

There are NO free markets in this country. Everything is a monopoly and cartel controlled by legislation. This government has absolutely no interest in BIG government interference in corporations in order to have free and open markets. They just don't exist. Barriers to market entry are everywhere.

Because progressives want to regulate everything to death...

a reply to: ADSE255

Trump is a dictator. His cabinet and all who support him must be destroyed.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: intrptr

The new "FutureTube" available under the new internet will be censored before publication, just like TV news is today.

That's just.......awful.

And in the end, anyone with a brain will no longer go to if for news just as no one with a brain turns on Fox or CNN for news.

Ultimately it will be alright. If anything, the internet has taught 'those with a brain' how to tell lies from truth. They can shut down the internet, censor it, conform it, people won't listen to their main stream, fake news, industrial complex. They have been inoculated against their mind control methods.

a reply to: Umberto

As apposed to?

Bush?
Clinton?
Obama?

Need I say more?

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

The end of the world. People would lose their proverbial minds if that happened now.

Which is why they've always done things at a slugs pace. So those who aren't watching, fall for it.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Those balloons have low bandwidth, they're meant for very basic access... This is all about streaming video, isps probably won't touch the rest. Balloons don't compete there.

a reply to: ADSE255

What I find to be amusing about this notion is the idea that somehow, an expensive endeavor like an "internet" that comprises the entire world could be done by philanthropists and do-gooders.


Friends, this is all about money. The idea that somehow someone will do this for the good of us all is a pipe dream.

Let's all sing kumbaya, get high on your chosen metaphor, and get laid. That is at least something concrete.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: Edumakated
In any industry, if there are excessive profits being made, then new entrants will seek to enter the market to provide better service cheaper. It is how free markets work. Greed is actually what drives down prices as it creates competition.

Monopolies and Oligopolies are usually created by government interference creating regulations and barriers to entry. This is why large companies often push for these regulations.

Yes, that did happen with long distance services for a short while. Until all the long distance services were bought out, or rents for the services were raised to ridiculous levels.

Monopolies control almost every consumer good you have, own, use, or will use. There are very few goods that are not under 100% control by monopolies.

The whole system is rigged from raw resources to the end product, the trade companies of old didn't just dissappear.

The way I see it society is being held at ransom. Lose the corporations and governments with all of their infrastructure then we'd take too long to replace it, we'd condemn millions, potentially billions to death.

We "need" the system, it doesn't need us. Or is it the other way round?

Sure, we could take it all. Name a revolution that wasn't hijacked... I like to imagine if parallel universes exist then they'd often come to the same conclusions, even if the situations were widely different.

In this reality though we love extremes. Jumping from one thing to another whilst denouncing the old as evil. It needn't be so crazy, corporation needn't be an ugly word.

a reply to: FHomerK

Yeah. I hear you.

The entire infrastructure was created and maintained by a higher power. As JFK said

originally posted by: ketsuko
How about people who want it public crowd source it and build their own socialized network?

The main problem I see with this is what Intrptr said: Eventually the big guys will buy them out.

There's also a second issue - standardization of the equipment and protocols. I did computer support back when the first computers came out. At that point, Apple and IBM were the only two players in the market (and Tandy) and none of the computers could even exchange files except under very difficult circumstances. When IBM allowed other companies to make IBM-clone machines, we ran into the issue that these machines would not necessarily run the same software that the "real IBMs" ran.

People chose brands and often ran into trouble when that brand failed and their data was difficult to retrieve.

We can end up with an "Internet" that only runs off certain things... similar to what happened in the early days when there was Compuserve and Genie and AOL and a few other brands that essentially performed as a large network but didn't talk to each other. If you wanted to use multiple services (I can speak to this one because it was something I needed to do at the time) you had to access multiple networks and pay multiple fees.

Each service had its own rules.

Each was actually more regulated than the Internet we see today.

I don't particularly want to go back to that sort of thing.

originally posted by: FHomerK
What I find to be amusing about this notion is the idea that somehow, an expensive endeavor like an "internet" that comprises the entire world could be done by philanthropists and do-gooders.


Friends, this is all about money. The idea that somehow someone will do this for the good of us all is a pipe dream.

Let's all sing kumbaya, get high on your chosen metaphor, and get laid. That is at least something concrete.

There's a lot of money to be made by everyone on an open internet. Removing Net Neutrality, which is really implementing something called Paid Prioritization takes away the ability for small companies to compete.

Let me give you just a tiny example. For my home security system I use a mix of cameras from a company called Blink and a series of alarms from Simply Safe. If SimplySafe were to not pay for higher priority to have their data processed, from the local ISP, to their server, to the automated police contact... my alarm would never function. They would be left with a worthless product while the bigger companies like ADT could keep a stranglehold on the market. Similarly, the automated video uploads from my cameras which are motion sensor based, wouldn't upload, and I would be out of my video surveilance. These are both small companies which rely on the internet.

All it takes is one company to sign an exclusivity agreement, and no other competitors can exist in the market. Because the internet is open right now, these companies were able to form and offer a product. If we repeal NN that will no longer be true.

originally posted by: ADSE255
a reply to: FHomerK

Yeah. I hear you.

The entire infrastructure was created and maintained by a higher power. As JFK said

I'm afraid your analogy fails... that's a "Meta-bunked quote." Kennedy never said that. The quote originates in 1982, quite a long time after Kennedy's death.

a reply to: Byrd

Each was actually more regulated than the Internet we see today.

Internally, yes.

Each used telephone lines which were (and are) regulated as common carriers. Phone companies had no say in what those information services did, under Title II.

But now the FCC has proclaimed that, even though the large ISPs create and maintain their own infrastructure (like telephone companies do), they are actually "information services" and can operate under Title I.

AOL was an information service. Compuserve was an information service. AT&T is not an information service. Time Warner is not an information service.

Net neutrality is dead and it won’t matter one bit... God bless Ajit Pai!