Killing Net Neutrality has brought a new call for Public Broadband

originally posted by: ADSE255
a reply to: ketsuko

I meant he's not relative. He does what he's told.

Did he or did he not say that?

It is the globalist push. Absolute centralized control with no choice.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: intrptr


Competition only happens through freedom of market.

The Heavy Donor Corporations dont't want a free market though.
The reason Net Neutrality was created to begin with and the reason it was repealed is because of Corporate Lobbyists.

How about we repeal all the regulations that Big Corporations wrote and favor?
You know as well as I do, they would storm Washington DC and put an end to it.

There is no Free Market when Corporations own Washington DC.

a reply to: ketsuko

Most assholes don't tell you when they're about to # you.

That's a fact.

originally posted by: ketsuko
How about people who want it public crowd source it and build their own socialized network?

No competing ISP's, municipal broadband or not can be brought in to compete due to the legal monopoly status granted to ISP's. Until that's overturned, nothing can be done.

Even if you do that though, it costs $10,000 per person to run a last mile connection by building competing infrastructure. So that's not a solution. One company needs to own the lines, and everyone needs to be able to pay for access to them.

originally posted by: ADSE255

originally posted by: xuenchen
The 14th Amendment should apply to corporations.

Yeah, I know right.

I don't think the founding fathers envisioned the amount of power corporations have over our country today vs a small business owner.

How about every citizen have teams of lawyers to fight against corporations, teams of accountants to get out of paying, and teams of lobbyists to purchase politicians?

Would you be ok if every citizen had as much power as a corporation does in Washington DC?

originally posted by: ADSE255
a reply to: intrptr

Remember when Microsoft was summoned to court for being Too Big? Now Mergers are happening.

They're playing a big game of chess here, the .. pin the tail on the donkey version, and they're doing it sloppily imo.

Must be the education they got. If some dude returned from say 1886 and saw this meshiva, they'd think everyone was retarded or something. No intellect these days.

Relevant XKCD
xkcd.com...

The same thing Microsoft was sued over, everyone does these days... and they go way beyond that.

a reply to: jacobe001

You want to know what I think?

I think if ordinary people don't wake up soon, they'll wake up to their own slavery minus the perks we've got now.

a reply to: Aazadan

Indeed

a reply to: xuenchen

Why am I not surprised you would take a pro-corporation position. It figures.

I will believe corporations are people after Texas sentences one to death and executes one.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ketsuko
How about people who want it public crowd source it and build their own socialized network?

No competing ISP's, municipal broadband or not can be brought in to compete due to the legal monopoly status granted to ISP's. Until that's overturned, nothing can be done.

Even if you do that though, it costs $10,000 per person to run a last mile connection by building competing infrastructure. So that's not a solution. One company needs to own the lines, and everyone needs to be able to pay for access to them.

Well said
The Corporations have a monopoly on the areas with no competition agreements.
It puts to rest that this about the Free Market.
It is about the Too Big Too Fail getting even bigger.

I agree that a new public broadband will emerge. Without net neutrality the "Internet" is NOT the Internet.

It will really stink when your ISP charges you for downloading YouTube videos because they prefer to promote their own YouTube technology. Or they just want to gouge you for more money.

And then the ISP can just stop YouTube from being accessible at all on their own private network unless YouTube pays the ISP exorbitant fees.

The beauty of net neutrality is as a consumer I have a very well defined meaning to the word "Internet". But without net neutrality the "internet" suddenly becomes AOL again.

It's alright, a new Internet will rise having net neutrality because that is what sells. The AOL business model failed miserably in the marketplace. Any company not embracing net neutrality will eventually fail because they will not be able to control their own greed.

originally posted by: ketsuko
How about people who want it public crowd source it and build their own socialized network?

It would be a start at the local and state level.
People can always move to another city or state.

Isn't that what the job creators say to people living near no jobs?

a reply to: TonyS

Yep. The only time I tune in to television news is during a natural disaster. Even then you have to be skeptical.

As ol' sheppy said: "You're dead. Your family is dead. Your kids are dead. Because you can't survive it (a cat 3 hurricane)."

I just wish the news would get back to reporting the news.

a reply to: jacobe001

I totally agree with your post. Corporations ARE the government.

The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. The lobbyists own the politicians. And the CEOs own the lobbyists. The Citizen United ruling means MONEY equals representation. We the people are NOT represented in this government. This is government by the lobbyists FOR the lobbyists. Money talks everything else people have to say is BS.

a reply to: dfnj2015

That .. will happen unless the People take back their rights. Americans have given that up for bread.

like the Roman Emperor that gave out spectacles and bread in exchange for honor and freedom.

a reply to: Liquesence

That's weird. My town built their own natural gas infrastructure, electrical infrastructure, and internet infrastructure (fiber). Isn't that crowd sourcing? Then sold all three for a massive profit and we're now saving ~$100/mo between all three when compared to having the city manage them.

We actually found out that the city had been skirting their duties after they sold the utilities. They got tired of paying people to come out on gas leak calls so they lowered the amount of scent they put in the natural gas to prevent those pesky citizens from calling. When "big business" took over, there were a rash of calls because they bumped the scent back up to the proper levels. It's amazing, we get better and safer service at a cheaper price from a big evil corporation than we got from the saints in our local government.

originally posted by: ADSE255
a reply to: jacobe001

You want to know what I think?

I think if ordinary people don't wake up soon, they'll wake up to their own slavery minus the perks we've got now.

This was foretold years ago with the NWO and it is happening now before our eyes where the Corporate and Banking and Globalist Elite would own everything and everyone else would be a serf serving them.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: ADSE255
a reply to: jacobe001

You want to know what I think?

I think if ordinary people don't wake up soon, they'll wake up to their own slavery minus the perks we've got now.

This was foretold years ago with the NWO and it is happening now before our eyes where the Corporate and Banking and Globalist Elite would own everything and everyone else would be a serf serving them.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

Excellent reminder by Ashley, thanks!

I think the waking up process needs a kick. People are entranced by the illusion that they are free.

They are not. Freedom always comes with a price.

From the link you posted www.abovetopsecret.com...

On a related and disturbing note, many members of the Trilateral Commission hold offices and positions of power in American politics, media, education, and economics. See: LIST. 

They Own Everything.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: jacobe001

I totally agree with your post. Corporations ARE the government.

The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. The lobbyists own the politicians. And the CEOs own the lobbyists. The Citizen United ruling means MONEY equals representation. We the people are NOT represented in this government. This is government by the lobbyists FOR the lobbyists. Money talks everything else people have to say is BS.

It gets even worse when you include in the revolving door puppets where Corporations encourage their higher level employees to go work for them in Washington DC.

Hank Paulson went to Washington DC to work for the Big Banks.
Hank Paulson is the one that screamed we need to bail the banks out.
Hank Paulson now is back in the Finance Sector being richly rewarded.

There really is no separation between politician and corporation when the politicians come from the big corporations.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ketsuko
How about people who want it public crowd source it and build their own socialized network?

Even if you do that though, it costs $10,000 per person to run a last mile connection by building competing infrastructure. So that's not a solution. One company needs to own the lines, and everyone needs to be able to pay for access to them.

Wired infrastructure would be prohibitive but wireless, maybe less so. Perhaps Google would be interested in donating their balloon tech to a non-profit made from crowd-sourcing. They're not in the ISP business but in the content business. It would be to their benefit to have everyone connected.

There's got to be a few ways to circumvent the big 3.