New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: spleenika
a reply to: SacredLore
Neil deGrasse Tyson, I want him to call me when he has a dinner invite from dark matter. Until then, it is just a place holder to explain something the physicists do not understand.

Or when he can explain--or explain away--gravity and consciousness. Better yet, just give him a mirror and he will keep himself occupied quite nicely.

He’s part of the secular elite

They only believe in what they see, even though their blind

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Anyone named George, Kit, Isaac, Tom, or Mark are definitely Good Guys... In my opinion of course, take or leave it but that's what I know in my heart.

Mark...

How is that reconciled with, say, SERPO?

a reply to: Jay-morris

Another way to interpret the "it's dying down already" aspect is that most people don't feel it's all that big a deal, at east not release about the fact that the U.S. Gov has ET material in a wharehouse. I find it to be more the public saying "So what? We figured."

originally posted by: Arouet
I hope at least ONE of them aliens that land is cute!

I hope this purported ET alien is up to your expectations --- Which is one of two ET alien photographs that I mailed to Robert Bigelow about 6 years ago --- One that quite obviously posed for me and my camera in the summer of 1972, on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake Bay @ Calvert Cliffs, Maryland --- (located in the bottom right hand portion of the photograph...while sitting on a fossil rock, while hiding behind a large Miocene fossil rock boulder --- with only his possible helmet showing two large oval eye sockets, long nose with a two inch vertical breathing slit up from the bottom middle, a Zen Buddha type of smile, left shoulder, long gray three-fingered right hand clutching the boulder and a grayish looking left leg and foot.

Titled: Space Alien Hiding Behind Fossil Rock - On YouTube

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Erno86

If this is the type of evidence sent to Bigelow, I feel bad for the man.

I'm a believer and am extremely hopeful this is the start of the government opening up, but... I truly hope you're trolling. If not, at least hope you're buying the tinfoil in bulk.

Best Wishes,
~Winter

I'm really excited that the 2004 - Navy/Nimitz/F-18 - UAP incident could have also involved a USO --- Hearing of the news... must really be keeping all of our submariners and submarine hunters on their toes --- so to speak.

Good move by the Pentagon!!!

The idea of this story is very interesting. After many years of looking into UFOs and all the rigamaroll that surrounds the topic, I've learned to not get my hopes up for anything. I'm almost convinced there is "something" to the phenomena, but I'm almost convinced that even if I lived to be a thousand years old, I'd know nothing more then than I do now. The idea of "disclosure" is fun to talk about and play pretend "gee, what would happen if...", but I don't see it actually occurring during my lifetime. I'm just another useless eater on this planet, and like the billions of other useless eaters, we're not enlightened enough to get to know the truth of the UFO phenomena.

Grant Cameron, who has been ubiquitous on this story, very helpful, sort of a Ufo/info gadfly kind of guy, has another topical YouTube commentary where he claims that it’s going to be the scientific community most hurt by any disclosure.

As this fades it seems time to take stock of the entire matter.

First, I don't think anyone should be shocked it's faded. For one, Christmas is 3 days away, anything but all out war or firing Mueller won't register much news during this period.

Additionally, think about the meta meaning of this. The NYTimes ran a UFO story under the by-line of 2 Pulitzer prize winning reporters covering a UFO encounter, AND, it contained information that specifically said that a warehouse contained metal from crashed disks. A quote [paraphrasing] "What was science fiction is now science fact" was included.

The story did not have a single debunker talking about how it had to be ducks or a weather balloon. It didn't mention little green men. The story ran with a seriousness that I honestly didn't think the MSM had within them (or had it taken out of their hands).

That's absolutely astounding.

I get it. I get it. It's not "DISCLOSURE" and yet it sort of is disclosure of a possible new beginning, one in which perhaps the next UFO story is also taken seriously. Again, astounding.

Moreover, it does seem to involve a real honest-to-god unexplained phenomena, unknown to the pilots (at least) in the U.S. military.

And the vast majority of the public heard the story, one way or another, and absorbed it as a mature people would. Read with interest, didn't mock, and awaited further detail. That in and of itself is telling. It would seem that disclosure of THIS type, that advanced technology is around our planet, is not something that people can't handle. The public at large seems to be handling it quite well.

Two points in closing. I still adhere to my friend George Knapp's view upon disclosure with a capital "D" - When you tell yourself 'you're ready,' best ask again, 'am I sure?' Because what YOU may envision as disclosure, may well not be what is disclosed AT ALL, at least not when one gets down to what might be the heart of the matter. "Disclosure" with a capital "D" could well involve extreme high strangeness, disconcerting information having to do with cattle mutilation, abductions, crop circles, extra dimensions, and the basic nature of the universe (computer sim?). Never be too sure of our ability to be "ready for it."

I know that, as for me, because I believe the phenomena's depth penetrates our society much deeper, and in ways we don't associate with "UFOs" I personally believe that should/would I hear the "entire truth," I wouldn't be entirely ready.

2. I find it too strange to ignore the fact that it occurred during the one time in my lifetime when the U.S. President was actively and expressly, right out in the open, attacking our entire intel community. I sincerely believe this could be an instance when the REAL POWERs are sending a shot across the bow of the pretend power in the Oval: "Be very careful." And that would also explain why it got treated with such "respect" by the paper of record, the NYTimes. Those same TPTB could easily have said to the NYTimes, "this time, cover it straight up, real, no joking around."

3.) I don't believe this relates to TDL at all. I'm not sure much does.

4. It is genuinely exciting to see real coverage. No matter how jaded one is, or how minimal kt is.

a reply to: spleenika

Alright then, suit yourself.
Good day!

originally posted by: JJudge
The idea of this story is very interesting. After many years of looking into UFOs and all the rigamaroll that surrounds the topic, I've learned to not get my hopes up for anything. I'm almost convinced there is "something" to the phenomena, but I'm almost convinced that even if I lived to be a thousand years old, I'd know nothing more then than I do now. The idea of "disclosure" is fun to talk about and play pretend "gee, what would happen if...", but I don't see it actually occurring during my lifetime. I'm just another useless eater on this planet, and like the billions of other useless eaters, we're not enlightened enough to get to know the truth of the UFO phenomena.

Spot on. Unless one is actually in the know, you ain't gonna be any the wiser ever

a reply to: vlawde

I can't say specifically what is planned but I can answer your question with a "yes".

This coming Spring I'll have a full report on some of this stuff from my own "boots on the ground" investigations.

originally posted by: Willtell
Grant Cameron, who has been ubiquitous on this story, very helpful, sort of a Ufo/info gadfly kind of guy, has another topical YouTube commentary where he claims that it’s going to be the scientific community most hurt by any disclosure.

almost 30k views in 24 hours. Apparently George Knapp is saying there are mountains of information that will be coming out, including information on the "materials" held at Bigelow Aerospace.

Bring it on!

a reply to: Scrubdog

Great summary!

The only thing I disagree with is the way people invalidate Tom DeLonge's contribution. Sure, he is not in command, he did not plan it, he (likely) did not have access to tangible proof himself.

But he IS an artist. No matter what hate people are spewing against him because in their minds everything must be given for free (at least to them). He had a lot of fans when he was with Blink 182 and Angels & Airwaves simply make great rock music if anybody would care to listen.
Art is a question of personal taste, of course, but when the Tom haters here criticize him for his music this is on the same level as the teenage girl who loved singer X because her boyfriend did and when the relationship breaks up she suddenly hates X with a passion :-)

Artists create the dreams of a better future for our civilization. They are the most valuable asset we have, even before scientists and engineers. This is the role of Tom DeLonge: He envisioned a way for the people working in secrecy to lift the veil a bit so that neither their work would be endangered nor would we experience a collapse of all social structures. With his charms, insistence and probably his music he managed to build a bridge and he opened the door for the (partial) disclosure we are seeing now. He is the first to accomplish this and I love him for it!

Regarding the fear that Tom is just being used: If this should be the case in a desctructive way (false flag alien invasion as Greer predicts) then his "handlers" may be in for a surprise. Tom is - like most artists - a rebel heart. If he finds out that the whole operation is about prolonging the suffering for us on this planet, then I am sure he will put up a fight. And I hope he will be able to count on our support should it really come to that.

a reply to: Springer

Can't wait, can't wait!!!!!!!

a reply to: SacredLore

Laying it on a bit thick with the delonge is the alien disclosure saviour and messiah thing dont you think. You even went so far as to say he makes great music. I can understand minor infatuation but that last post of yours was the work of a true fan...atic. Quick question how many tom delonge posters do you currently got up on you bedroom wall. Just curious.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Yup, you got that absolutely right: I think he is an awesome musician. Not because his guitar playing would be totally out of this world or because he would have a better voice than (young) Axl Rose. His songs as a whole simply bring me joy, I love to listen to them.

Fun fact: I had not heard of Blink 182 before DeLonge became known for UFOs :-)
I am simply too old. I was into The Cure, Sex Pistols, The Clash, Lords of the New Church, etc.

Bruce Maccabee retracts his analysis of the Nimmitz incident acceleration/g force.
www.facebook.com...

Looks like the sudden acceleration (on the video not commenting on pilot testimony) is due to the pilot flicking between zooms.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Brilliant! Thanks for the pointer.

Something I am worried about: Real events (the pilots saw SOMETHING) but what is handed out does not violate "plausible deniability" (a point stressed by Grant Cameron). This leaves the back door open so they can back-pedal whenever it seems appropriate.

This might be related.

Iran UFO reports revealed

AFM has obtained copies of an Iranian report into alleged UFO overflights that occurred some ten years ago. During 2004 and 2005 the pilots of four Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) F-4E Phantom IIs and a single F-14A Tomcat reportedly confronted ‘luminescent UFOs’ over strategic facilities in Khondab and Bushehr. In the process, at least two ‘dogfights’ occurred, albeit without any success for the fighter pilots.

www.airforcesmonthly.com...

If you look into one of the pictures, they have the following characteristics:

1. Momentary disappearances
2. Very fast speed during tracking / interception
3. Extreme maneuverability during tracking / interceptions
4. Presence of gaseous mass around the UFO
5. Disappearance during presence of any threat.

WOW!!!

I have also posted this in the Aviation Forum here. I have not yet finished reading this source or have done any vetting, so I don't know how reasonable this is.

EDIT:
- Apparently it had a green light?
- More Possibilities (non-exhaustive):
i. Neither story is true or is only partly true and both are fabrications from the same source for some purpose.
ii. US military testing and in operation.
iii. Unknown phenomena. Note: Both sightings happened around nuclear reactors (Iran weapons program and USS Nimitz which is nuclear powered and may have contained nuclear weapons).
iv. Perhaps we can tell the difference between ii. and iii. by comparing this with other UFO sightings around nuclear reactors that are not military and not of a concern to the US military.
v. Naturally occurring phenomena and pilot hysteria.