Cold war II

This thought struck yesterday and It's been expanding ever since.

Could the current U.S. political crap/insanity/ hyperbole, be similar to the cold war?

Propaganda non-stop. Out right lies from both sides. Fear being pushed at an unprecedented level. Potential and actual violence resulting.

Fear of far worse violence? Sure, the fear of nuclear holocaust was bigger, but from an American perspective, fear of revolution or civil war, especially with a new generation that didn't suffer through the cold war, would act similarly. Yes?

The fact that this is all new and scary to the millennials could be the reason for the outright insanity some manifest? That the older, conservative faction, having lived through the cold war seem to react less hysterically?

I could be way out of line following this thinking, but the similarities are worth commenting on.

Some would suggest, even assert, that this is 'deliberate'. An attempt to 'divide us'. I cannot buy into it fully. I do believe the move to the left was and is deliberate. I also believe these folks thought it was a 'done deal' and this push-back , both in the U.S. and parts of Europe wasn't planned, predicted or prepared for. JMO, though.

The only positive I can hang my hat on is we got through the cold war, didn't we....

I don't know about a 2nd cold war.

What i do think is that tptb are pushing for ww3, as a way to subjagte and control the masses ala us being serfs again. A way to keep those who are useful, and get rid of the rest..

a reply to: nwtrucker

Same old cold war. In the land before time the US used to demonize the soviets anyway they could.

They still do. Look at the manipulation of the Olympics coming up. Apparently the "Russians'' are only allowed to participate as long as they don't wear their nations uniforms or fly the Russian flag.


Thats not discrimination at all...

It´s the same cold war since decades, fought by the same old and rich imperial farts of cold warriors like Kissinger, for example.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

Same old cold war. In the land before time the US used to demonize the soviets anyway they could.

They still do. Look at the manipulation of the Olympics coming up. Apparently the "Russians'' are only allowed to participate as long as they don't wear their nations uniforms or fly the Russian flag.


Thats not discrimination at all...

Last time I checked, discrimination was the ability to discern right from wrong. Good from bad.

Prejudice is a whole different story,

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
It´s the same cold war since decades, fought by the same old and rich imperial farts of cold warriors like Kissinger, for example.

Perhaps, yet the venue has changed...

originally posted by: theatreboy
I don't know about a 2nd cold war.

What i do think is that tptb are pushing for ww3, as a way to subjagte and control the masses ala us being serfs again. A way to keep those who are useful, and get rid of the rest..

Last time we had a 'world war', a whole lot of the assets of TPTB got wiped out. That would explain why smaller wars, away from home ensued.

No, world war cannot be controlled. Too many fingers on too many triggers to trust that method, I'm betting.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Zbigniew Brzezinski stated that "the biggest threat that they (tptb) faced in the 21st century was the electorate becoming politically aware" ...So the same old same old way of how we look at it all had to either turn of become muddy . I think the past freight train of politics is not something you can stop and switch tracks on a dime and so as the change is in play there will be many political causalities ,which is what we are seeing now .

The new cold war 2.0 is also another mix that is muddy and causing major blocks of division stemming from the new groups consolidating their agreements with one another . The 2 main stress points I think are North Korea and Israel .NK want's to sit down and talk with the US but the neo-con's wont let that happen .Just as resolving the issues around Israel (ME) is not something they want either .

Their (tptb) attempt at 2.0 with Russia is not playing out and there are signs that they may be shifting it to the ME with Trumps Jerusalem announcement .Putin seems to be fine with playing the stalemate game and fitting Russia into a larger block . As bad as the ISIS episode is and was the dirty games look like they will dominate with the Western sphere collapsing under their own weight of corruption . 1 member at the UN against all others does not make for good diplomatic relations even if that 1 member is the USA .

Time for the real ruler to step on the stage and get this craziness over with imo :>)

The Cold War never really ended in my view, things were just a little warmer between the two sides for a couple of decades

a reply to: nwtrucker

Last time I checked, discrimination was the ability to discern right from wrong. Good from bad.

Prejudice is a whole different story,

Discrimination is playing favorites, marginalizing competition, either thru outright ridicule or passing legislation barring opponents, like the Olympics example I presented. Ostensibly the Russia bashing began with the 'doping scandal' , but has morphed into flag banning during the Olympics.

Same discrimination occurring on world stage with US announcing it is moving its embassy to Jerusalem, the capitol of Palestine.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

Same old cold war. In the land before time the US used to demonize the soviets anyway they could.

They still do. Look at the manipulation of the Olympics coming up. Apparently the "Russians'' are only allowed to participate as long as they don't wear their nations uniforms or fly the Russian flag.


Thats not discrimination at all...

Based on allegations of their athletes doping.
So no, its not any kind of discrimination.

Those Russian athletes that test clean and want to complete can but only as Olympians since there country is banned for doping.

You can say whatever you want about the doping scam.

a reply to: wdkirk

Based on allegations of their athletes doping.
So no, its not any kind of discrimination.

Allegations of doping. Something most nations do, the Russians least of all. Besides, the 'whistleblower' ''Defected" to the Us once he was fnished.

Read that double agent, returning to base.

Athletes disqualified for doping, summer olympics

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: nwtrucker

Zbigniew Brzezinski stated that "the biggest threat that they (tptb) faced in the 21st century was the electorate becoming politically aware" ...So the same old same old way of how we look at it all had to either turn of become muddy . I think the past freight train of politics is not something you can stop and switch tracks on a dime and so as the change is in play there will be many political causalities ,which is what we are seeing now .

The new cold war 2.0 is also another mix that is muddy and causing major blocks of division stemming from the new groups consolidating their agreements with one another . The 2 main stress points I think are North Korea and Israel .NK want's to sit down and talk with the US but the neo-con's wont let that happen .Just as resolving the issues around Israel (ME) is not something they want either .

Their (tptb) attempt at 2.0 with Russia is not playing out and there are signs that they may be shifting it to the ME with Trumps Jerusalem announcement .Putin seems to be fine with playing the stalemate game and fitting Russia into a larger block . As bad as the ISIS episode is and was the dirty games look like they will dominate with the Western sphere collapsing under their own weight of corruption . 1 member at the UN against all others does not make for good diplomatic relations even if that 1 member is the USA .

Time for the real ruler to step on the stage and get this craziness over with imo :>)

Para one I see and agree with.

The stress points, I'm not so sure about. They 'could' be, but one the other hand, they could be a mere deflection of attention.

As far as Israel goes, it's either going to work by forcing TPTB and the ME, in general, to acknowledge Israel isn't going anywhere and deal with that fact or push things the other way. The current stalemate has to go. It needs to be settled one way or another.

I am more than satisfied with the current leader we have. He has shaken the boys up, big time. Risk? Sure. Was there really any other way? I think not.

Either one could lead to nuclear war. That scenario is a non-started economically speaking. (Unless, you buying the population control theory, which I don't as there are far easier and controllable methods to hand to achieve that.)

If the Russian gambit isn't playing out, as you say, and even that one 'could' have resulted in a Hillary-Putin accord which would have solidified their legacies. In other words, A Hillary win with increased saber rattling to the point where the world 'demanded' a summit with a 'miraculous accord' achieved by two great statespersons....cough, cough.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

Last time I checked, discrimination was the ability to discern right from wrong. Good from bad.

Prejudice is a whole different story,

Discrimination is playing favorites, marginalizing competition, either thru outright ridicule or passing legislation barring opponents, like the Olympics example I presented. Ostensibly the Russia bashing began with the 'doping scandal' , but has morphed into flag banning during the Olympics.

Same discrimination occurring on world stage with US announcing it is moving its embassy to Jerusalem, the capitol of Palestine.

Then the whole world is guilty of the same. You point, almost without exception, at the U.S.. Equally discriminatory.

I will take our over theirs.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
The Cold War never really ended in my view, things were just a little warmer between the two sides for a couple of decades

This was back in '92....www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

Last time I checked, discrimination was the ability to discern right from wrong. Good from bad.

Prejudice is a whole different story,

Discrimination is playing favorites, marginalizing competition, either thru outright ridicule or passing legislation barring opponents, like the Olympics example I presented. Ostensibly the Russia bashing began with the 'doping scandal' , but has morphed into flag banning during the Olympics.

Same discrimination occurring on world stage with US announcing it is moving its embassy to Jerusalem, the capitol of Palestine.

Then the whole world is guilty of the same. You point, almost without exception, at the U.S.. Equally discriminatory.

I will take our over theirs.

But you know why the anti russian dogma persists too.

Form allegations of doping to banning the nations flag at the olympics, the two aren't related except by Politics.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

Last time I checked, discrimination was the ability to discern right from wrong. Good from bad.

Prejudice is a whole different story,

Discrimination is playing favorites, marginalizing competition, either thru outright ridicule or passing legislation barring opponents, like the Olympics example I presented. Ostensibly the Russia bashing began with the 'doping scandal' , but has morphed into flag banning during the Olympics.

Same discrimination occurring on world stage with US announcing it is moving its embassy to Jerusalem, the capitol of Palestine.

Then the whole world is guilty of the same. You point, almost without exception, at the U.S.. Equally discriminatory.

I will take our over theirs.

But you know why the anti russian dogma persists too.

Form allegations of doping to banning the nations flag at the olympics, the two aren't related except by Politics.

Exactly! Which what your going by making the connection.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker

Last time I checked, discrimination was the ability to discern right from wrong. Good from bad.

Prejudice is a whole different story,

Discrimination is playing favorites, marginalizing competition, either thru outright ridicule or passing legislation barring opponents, like the Olympics example I presented. Ostensibly the Russia bashing began with the 'doping scandal' , but has morphed into flag banning during the Olympics.

Same discrimination occurring on world stage with US announcing it is moving its embassy to Jerusalem, the capitol of Palestine.

Then the whole world is guilty of the same. You point, almost without exception, at the U.S.. Equally discriminatory.

I will take our over theirs.

But you know why the anti russian dogma persists too.

Form allegations of doping to banning the nations flag at the olympics, the two aren't related except by Politics.

Exactly! Which what your going by making the connection.

Well the Olympic committee ruled the allegations of doping had no substance and banning russians had no validity, so now the official narrative is resorting to crybaby tactics, trying to ban the Russian flag.

Bwah

ETA: Like we don't know where the notion of flag banning comes from either.

Someone should do thread on that...

Cold war times were thought by many schools to be times of prosperity monetarily.

a reply to: nwtrucker

That's an interesting observation about the current situation in the US. That said, I'd have to opine that in many respects, there's nothing new about any of this.

Propaganda non-stop. Out right lies from both sides. Fear being pushed at an unprecedented level. Potential and actual violence resulting.

Same thing we saw in the 1960's. Viet Nam War/Civil Rights unrest, campus protests, etc. What does make this time around seem different is that back in the 1960's there were literally thousands of MSM outlets, print, television and magazines (yea, people actually read magazines) so there was a much more diffuse distribution of opinion and fact checked reporting. Today, the high concentration of news outlets, i.e., MSM controlled by 6 corporations means that the media has become something of an echo chamber and we hear pretty much the same content across all platforms of the MSM. This tends to dramatically increase the volume and focus of the propaganda. But, because of the ginormous number of factual errors put forth by the Cable TV outlets, CNN, ABC, Fox and MSNBC, it seems to me that the primary victim of this period of unrest will be those MSM outlets as they are increasingly viewed as unreliable yellow journalism type outlets.

Some would suggest, even assert, that this is 'deliberate'. An attempt to 'divide us'. I cannot buy into it fully. I do believe the move to the left was and is deliberate. I also believe these folks thought it was a 'done deal' and this push-back , both in the U.S. and parts of Europe wasn't planned, predicted or prepared for.

Very, very true on both counts. The Global elites/US Deep State, etc. plan and rule for their best interests alone and just expect the rest of us will naturally accept their policies. The Elites are, however, residing in a bubble of their own making totally out of touch with the rest of the population. Brexit proved that as did the Trump election. Face it, the residents of the Hamptons could care less about what's happening in Fargo North Dakota or El Paso, Texas or Racine, Wisconsin. Those places/people don't even exist to them. They don't care about what the Pope says, they don't follow the Pope, or Billy Graham or any religious leaders. They haven't been in a church, mostly for most of them, ever! Refugees aren't a problem for them..........because they funnel the refugees to Detroit or Minneapolis. From what I read, the same thing goes on in England. The "Elites" live in Gated "Estates" (communities) entirely out of touch with the lives of the ground huggers.

The fact that this is all new and scary to the millennials could be the reason for the outright insanity some manifest? That the older, conservative faction, having lived through the cold war seem to react less hysterically?

Meh, my guess is that the Millennials will turn out to be one of the biggest farts in generational history. The surprise of the Millennials will not be what they do or accomplish so much as what they never do or accomplish. They are truly a lost generation, having grown up with the shock and awe of the Great Financial Collapse of 2007, they seem entirely financially hobbled and probably for life.

The real truth of the "political" situation in the US is that while it seems Americans are obsessed with "Politics" and the "Political System", the sad thing is that in so doing, they're way over invested in a system that literally does practically nothing. The US political system is designed to be glacially slow and cumbersome. Every 25 years or so an "engaged" and "woke" generation will emerge and rage against the machine, but........there's nothing they can do about it, do to it, or change it. Its kinda like the not-so irresistible force meets the Ultimate Immovable Object. They exhaust themselves in 10 years and the same tired, old, political hacks like Nancy Pelosi are STILL in Congress.

Another real truth of the US future is that the single greatest threat to Americans well being is the National Debt. One day, this economic system is going to crash into the Debt Wall and when that happens, the music stops and the band demands payment. In light of this reality, elections in a system this slow and unwieldy is nothing more than shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.