Heavy meat eater, lifelong hunter, thinking about going vegetarian.

I could never imagine life without eating various dead animals, even rabbit and horse meat, always wanted to try crocodile, in a pinch I'll eat a can of SPAM

But considering that we ourselves are food for higher beings, (see my other thread)

How can I protest our condition if i myself participate in eating lower than me lifeforms

Take a duck for example, prepared right it tastes mighty good.

But that duck was a living thing that looked for mates, ran from danger, experienced fear, experienced being content while sleeping

That duck or pig or chicken is stupid compared to us, but no one can deny it lived in its own limited way.

We are limited compared to those coming from other galaxies and dimensions, does that mean we should be zapped and drained, and carcass thrown out of flying saucer (by the way that happens)

Religions like some East Indian religions advise vegetarianism but I haven't met a single follower who actually understands this, he or she just follows the rules of religion without thinking about it.

ANOTHER POSSIBILITY

is that I have just lost my mind and should shut the f up and stop reading whatever I am reading LOL

Man I am so sick of this world

I feel like finding a practice bridge, you know not too high from the water, just for practice.

Maybe my outlook would change if I stopped eating meat.

Health might improve but I don't care about health,

I know one East Indian guy, seen him at the pool, his stomach and fat is spilling out, so you can eat vegetables and still be a fatso

I guess they use too much butter with their veggies

Animals are not lower lifeforms, they live in balance with nature so I'd say in that way they are much "higher" than we humans are. We rape and pillage the Earth and take more than we need and in the process kill the environment and make other lifeforms suffer for our greed. Animals don't do that, they only take what they need and no more which keeps the balance in tune, humans have thrown that balance out of whack and the suffering that happens from our greed is that balance being lost.

Just my opinion but I think we as humans are less (spiritually) evolved than most animals because of the fact that we have forgotten where we came from. We care more about money than we do the livelihood of others.

a reply to: DavidKip

You know that is something I'm thinking of myself. With all of the protein fragments (prions) in meat, and all of the potential health side-effects, it makes logical sense to do this. If you feed cows to cows, they get hoof and mouth disease (Mad Cow Disease). Is it worth the risk? Look at all of the side-effects that prions can cause. I believe that there is a possibility that most chronic and also autoimmune diseases could be caused by prions.

That leaves the question: How do you get rid of prions? I've read that they can live in space (without oxygen). You can smelt them at temperatures in the thousands of degrees, and they can still live through that and reproduce! If anyone knows of anything that can remove these protein fragments from the body - would probably cure anything from arthritis to diabetes to cancer and who knows what else!?

With that information aside, there are now prions showing up in plants! I wonder if that has anything to do with genetic modification? I won't post links to anything, but if you research what I've said above-most of it has been verified by science already. If anyone has any ideas or input to share I would appreciate it sincerely, as long as it doesn't derail the thread. Thank you for sharing. S+F!

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Can't really argue with you

Anyone who wants to argue on this should make a visit to Alberta Oil sands in Canada

The devastation is almost biblical

Some people cannot survive on just veggies. Our metabolisms differ and that means everyone needs differently

I eat meat, I buy a half a head of beef a year. I am responsible for that cows death, also it's live too. It is fed well by the farmer, grazing in the fields instead of being in a stock yard. It eats grass and hay. If people all ate veggies, we would have to clearcut the earth to supply us with food, all the animals would have to be killed tht ate these foods. It is better to have lived a short happy healthy life than not been allowed to live it at all. That is the way it should be taught. I am sure that the animals would not disagree. If we treat the animals with respect and allow them to have kids and harvest some, it is better than killing off all animals because they may eat our fields.

Don't feel guilty if we eat meat, but do not bash anyone who does not either, after all if we all age meat, there would be much more animals that need to be raised in unnatural ways.

a reply to: DavidKip

Don't overthink it, just enjoy that 1/2 lb. pub burger or steak and put that meat guilt on the back burner.

Life is too short to not enjoy the ride. Never forget the bacon man, that alone is reason enough to keep from going green.

a reply to: InFriNiTee

Prions in or on plants ?

Is there anything that won't get ruined

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Animals are not lower lifeforms, they live in balance with nature so I'd say in that way they are much "higher" than we humans are. We rape and pillage the Earth and take more than we need and in the process kill the environment and make other lifeforms suffer for our greed. Animals don't do that, they only take what they need and no more which keeps the balance in tune, humans have thrown that balance out of whack and the suffering that happens from our greed is that balance being lost.

Just my opinion but I think we as humans are less (spiritually) evolved than most animals because of the fact that we have forgotten where we came from. We care more about money than we do the livelihood of others.

I agree, so does the cat sitting next to me on the computer chair. I have to sit on a chair from the kitchen table because she likes that soft cushy chair. She sits next to me when I am here, I have to lift her onto the chair. She is twenty one years old and was an outside cat for nineteen of those years, living in the garage which was not well heated. I would not eat her, she is a friend. I know farmers who do not eat their friends when they die personally but will sell the meat of that animal to someone else. It is a waste to bury that old cow that was your friend for many years, providing you with calves to raise and sell or giving you milk. But I sure would not want to eat a friend, someone who does not know her can though.

Not every person can go veg and be easily healthy. It's not a popular opinion in the veg world, but I've lived it. I thought I was dying and all it was is that I was vit D deficient.

If you chose to go veg please do it nutritionally. Twizzlers and plain fritos are vegan, that doesn't mean it's healthy.

a reply to: rickymouse

You made a very reasonable post

And so I'll tell you this, I should try going without meat for 6 months and see how it goes

I mean I could always go back so might as well try it

a reply to: DavidKip


Watch forks over knifes if you can opened my eyes to health and food. Go whole food plant based vegan. You really will feel a lot better for it.

Well done

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Animals are not lower lifeforms, they live in balance with nature so I'd say in that way they are much "higher" than we humans are. We rape and pillage the Earth and take more than we need and in the process kill the environment and make other lifeforms suffer for our greed. Animals don't do that, they only take what they need and no more which keeps the balance in tune, humans have thrown that balance out of whack and the suffering that happens from our greed is that balance being lost.

Just my opinion but I think we as humans are less (spiritually) evolved than most animals because of the fact that we have forgotten where we came from. We care more about money than we do the livelihood of others.

You should investigate the beaver....

I can however agree with your sentiment. People should only take what they need to feed themselves as well as their families.

However food waste is something typically seen more in suburban areas and from people who don't know where their food comes from. (AKA people who have never hunted) People who live off the land and hunt are generally less wasteful than urban environments where FDA sets expiration dates and restaurants throw good food out by the tons. On the farm nothing goes to waste. From the rookus to the tookus everything is usually utilized.

a reply to: rickymouse

I feel you there, but most of the time the animals we eat are trapped in a cage their whole lives while being overfed to make them as fat as possible, then they are mercilessly and brutally killed to make money. The factory farm industry is disgusting but with a species as gluttonous and wasteful as humans that is the end result.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Animals are not lower lifeforms, they live in balance with nature so I'd say in that way they are much "higher" than we humans are. We rape and pillage the Earth and take more than we need and in the process kill the environment and make other lifeforms suffer for our greed. Animals don't do that, they only take what they need and no more which keeps the balance in tune, humans have thrown that balance out of whack and the suffering that happens from our greed is that balance being lost.

Just my opinion but I think we as humans are less (spiritually) evolved than most animals because of the fact that we have forgotten where we came from. We care more about money than we do the livelihood of others.

I agree, so does the cat sitting next to me on the computer chair. I have to sit on a chair from the kitchen table because she likes that soft cushy chair. She sits next to me when I am here, I have to lift her onto the chair. She is twenty one years old and was an outside cat for nineteen of those years, living in the garage which was not well heated. I would not eat her, she is a friend. I know farmers who do not eat their friends when they die personally but will sell the meat of that animal to someone else. It is a waste to bury that old cow that was your friend for many years, providing you with calves to raise and sell or giving you milk. But I sure would not want to eat a friend, someone who does not know her can though.

In the right circumstances I would eat you.....and you would have full permission to eat me as well.

Friend.

a reply to: GuidedKill

There are some animals who are invasive but natural predators usually handle that pretty well. The formula worked for hundreds of thousands of years so I think nature could handle beavers pretty well. Humans on the other hand are the most invasive species by far, destroying millions of acres of habitat to build parking lots and smog producing factories, all while polluting the waterways and holding billions of animals captive only to be fattened up and slaughtered.

We really have lost our way, everything is geared toward money and profit.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: rickymouse

I feel you there, but most of the time the animals we eat are trapped in a cage their whole lives while being overfed to make them as fat as possible, then they are mercilessly and brutally killed to make money. The factory farm industry is disgusting but with a species as gluttonous and wasteful as humans that is the end result.

I have tried to buy chickens that got to live a few years and were treated right while they lived, but that isn't easy, chickens only live a short time because they grow to fast for their hearts. They die within six months most times. Stewing chickens make the best soups, they are made from old chickens.

The store bought free range chickens are mostly a scam. Unless I get it from the farmer direct and see how it is raised, I will buy the cheap store bought chickens or the Ahmish gerber chicken. I appreciate the life that was given so I live and do not waste any of the chicken. I even boil the bones to make soup.

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Animals are not lower lifeforms, they live in balance with nature so I'd say in that way they are much "higher" than we humans are. We rape and pillage the Earth and take more than we need and in the process kill the environment and make other lifeforms suffer for our greed. Animals don't do that, they only take what they need and no more which keeps the balance in tune, humans have thrown that balance out of whack and the suffering that happens from our greed is that balance being lost.

Just my opinion but I think we as humans are less (spiritually) evolved than most animals because of the fact that we have forgotten where we came from. We care more about money than we do the livelihood of others.

I agree, so does the cat sitting next to me on the computer chair. I have to sit on a chair from the kitchen table because she likes that soft cushy chair. She sits next to me when I am here, I have to lift her onto the chair. She is twenty one years old and was an outside cat for nineteen of those years, living in the garage which was not well heated. I would not eat her, she is a friend. I know farmers who do not eat their friends when they die personally but will sell the meat of that animal to someone else. It is a waste to bury that old cow that was your friend for many years, providing you with calves to raise and sell or giving you milk. But I sure would not want to eat a friend, someone who does not know her can though.

In the right circumstances I would eat you.....and you would have full permission to eat me as well.

Friend.

I won't eat friends. But maybe I can use you to bait a bear.

Try it and see how you get on. Read up on the subject and learn as much as you can. An interesting fact that struck me is that much less meat is eaten in regions that do not have industrialised slaughter. People that have to do the killing to eat meat tend to eat a lot less of it.

originally posted by: DavidKip
a reply to: rickymouse

You made a very reasonable post

And so I'll tell you this, I should try going without meat for 6 months and see how it goes

I mean I could always go back so might as well try it

It takes a while to properly change enzyme ratios in the body. Some people do not make adequate enzymes to properly metabolize plants either, It seems to effect thinking the most, some people can get all weird and cranky if they start to eat a lot of plants. And the worst thing is that that person cannot tell they are delusional, plant defense system chemistry often makes it so a person does not realize they have been compromised.

Some people who's ancestors have been eating lots of veggies for many centuries have worked out the bugs, they can eat the plants without any undesireable problems. But, everyone should try to increase consumptions of plants over the generations so we will adapt. I do not think man evolved from vegetation eaters, I think we ate dead and rotted meat. We were a scavanger and turned into an omniverous animal over the eons.

a reply to: DavidKip

Good on you for considering it. I went veggie then vegan and never looked back. I didn't do it for health reasons and I'm still slightly overweight (because I eat too much and drink beer) but I could no longer justify taking the life of a sentient creature when I can get everything I need elsewhere. I found it eased my conscience, it was always niggling away at me that I shouldn't be eating meat but I just carried on as it was the norm and almost everyone else around me was.

It also unexpectedly expanded my diet as I was stuck eating the same old things and it forced me to open my mind and try new things so now I enjoy the same meals as I used to (just slightly adapted) as well as loads of new stuff 👍

There are health and benefits and environmental benefits too, which although are not the reasons I made the change are a welcome bonus.