Mental Illness is a MYTH : Witchcraft and Power Politics in Medicine

a reply to: Noinden

That's not a disease its a disorder smh

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: muzzleflash

Yes there is. Bipolar disorder is disease that can be diagnosed, and treated. Try again

Treatment is very effective too. A family member out of nowhere started to exhibit symptoms that were completely debilitating, but after a week of closely monitored lithium carbonate and a rest in the hospital they were back to normal.

It can happen to anyone, however this particular family member had to be admitted against their will. It was an eye opening experience for everyone, because this person was what everyone thought was the Rock of Gibraltar. Even the strongest can break, but getting help for them is sometimes a seeming impossible situation.

It can happen to anyone, however this trigger was alcoholic consumption, and they were not an alcoholic, but rather a social drinker. They cannot even have one drink now.

The trigger was discovered on the second trip to the hospital against their will.

However after 3 years they are functioning normally and happy as well, so treatment did work in this case.

a reply to: GeneralMayhem

Nice try. You are playing semantics. Diesease, disorders, conditions, syndromes etc are used interchangeably when someone is not a medical professional.

The OP has shown zero inclination he knows the differences.

But her we go..

Disease: Resulting from a pathophysiological response to external or internal factors.
Disorder: A disruption of the disease to the normal or regular functions in the body or a part of the body. (oh look diesase)
Syndrome: A collection or set of signs and symptoms that characterise or suggest a particular disease.
Condition: An abnormal state of health that interferes with the usual activities or feeling of wellbeing.

It can thus be seen, that a disorder, is related to a disease.

Again I refer to the fact, biploar disorder, can be diagnosed, and treated, effectively. The problems occur when a sufferer comes off medications, for whatever reason (often "I feel better" therefore I am better.... chaos ensues)

a reply to: muzzleflash

Ill keep this short and sweet.

Im intimately familiar with mental illness and psychiatry.

Meds and doctors as they are now are a necessary evil...

However...

The exact causes of some people's experiences and conditions are often totally ignored or obfuscated.

Many would rather chemically dull a person down to borderline retardation and keep them silent, than to find out the truth about high strangeness.

These are FACTS and # your opinion if you think otherwise.


I have been hospitalized once about 10 years ago. I see a psychiatrist and have seen him for 5 years.

My doctor was business as usual for the first year. Everything is a delusion, its all in your head etc etc.

Then i started explaining to him events from my life. I showed him pictures. Drawings. Videos.

Then he started experiencing what i told him i had experienced, too.

He now doesnt know what to believe.


You supposed "rationalists" are funny.

You're either aware of some truths regarding E.T., government, interdimensional happenings and human psychokinetic abilities, and you intentionally obfuscate truth for (national security purposes my ass) or you're totally ignorant to these truths and talk out of your bottom.

I have seen enough and I know enough to know Im not alone in this fight, and God knows I and many others are ready to blow the lid off this whole charade.

a reply to: Realtruth

I've known several sufferers in my life. Both type 1 and type 2 (its a specturm). Its not fun for anyone when they are not treated. I've also working in search and rescue (its a volunteer thing down here) been told "we are looking for someone suffering from bipolar disorder, and they were last seen in a downswing.

Anyone who says here are no mental illnesses, has some angle they are playing

a reply to: Noinden

inclination :
a particular or attractive motivation or beleif

indication : a sign indicating or inferring something

Maybe this just mit obsessive compulsive disorder disease playing up

a reply to: GeneralMayhem

Or you too have some skin in the game? I am seeing a LOT of semantics being used, to justify something away, that people don't like to admit.

Again, and slowly.

Mental illnesses are real.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Realtruth

I've known several sufferers in my life. Both type 1 and type 2 (its a specturm). Its not fun for anyone when they are not treated. I've also working in search and rescue (its a volunteer thing down here) been told "we are looking for someone suffering from bipolar disorder, and they were last seen in a downswing.

Anyone who says here are no mental illnesses, has some angle they are playing

After reading the OPs past posts, it seems his angle is that hes admitted he is diagnosed schizophrenic, and it seems through his post history (and past admission) that he does indeed go through "episodes".

It seems in the last few months he is on a down swing and his post history is showing that.

Its nothing to be ashamed of, its not something they have control over, however dismissing it as not existing and not seeking out the help needed to level out again is not helping him or anyone else around him, and could eventually lead to a very very severe and catastrophic psychotic break.

OP I suggest going back in to speak to someone and get some of this stuff off your chest, talk through some of this stuff and get centered again.

You are only indulging your illness, and it will not help as you spiral, but then again you know this over your years of posting on ATS it seems.

I suffer from severe PTSD from years in war zones, I have to go in every week to keep my mind right, focused, and center myself, it helps to talk to people and other sufferers to learn coping mechanisms. Before I relented, I self medicated, withdrew and became a right bastard to my friends and family, and my mounting anger and frustration often causing severe issues in my life.

Mental Health isnt fake.

Be man enough to take care of what you need to take care of, for you and your friends and family.

Well written, great job!

a reply to: SailorJerry

Yeah I wanted to avoid that....but: schizophrenics tend to resist the diagnosis the hardest (or so I have noticed). When I worked bar security as an undergrad, we had a couple of regulars at the student bar I worked. The police hated to deal with them. New Zealand police are not habitually armed, and are for the most part (I've found) sympathetic. Alcohol, and meds, or lack of meds are a bad combo for mental health but schizophrenia is a "perfect storm" for chaos.

I probably suffer from depression (I am undiagnosed, and well function), my wife certainly DOES. I also had a period of anxiety that went away. It was diagnosed, medicated, and I got better. The Psychiatrists helped me get off the medication too (stopping it cold turkey would have been bad). But I was much better medicated, than not.

Like I said to the OP, what skin do they have in the game? Be honest. My skin is my and families mental health, and yes I work in the Pharma industry, making pharmaceuticals (none for mental health so far) in Contract Research, specifically process development (up-scaling).

a reply to: Noinden

I come from the land where Doctor Dr. Jimmy Saville was once the Governor with a capital G of HM Psychiatric Prison Broadmoor. It was called 'blue sky thinking' to give him that role publically . This same land's current government has just given 300 million pounds towards children mental health provision in the uk ,today. So we can think what we want about it until we all understand the reality ,ok ?
The concept of mental illness is purely a construct of the medical profession . Psychological suffering has been around for a long time before people started calling themselves doctors or 'professors' though , way before they started to enforce
their medicine on people like you . By categorisation , labelling becomes allowed , and other societal benefits may also be construed

eg: compartmentalisation

a reply to: GeneralMayhem

SO you are judging the people governing mental health, not the fact that mental health problems are real?

Again it is not just a construct of the medical profession. If you assume that to be so, any problem is that too. Cancer, genetic conditions, high cholesterol etc. One can quantify it, there for its there.

So again, what skin do you have in this?

a reply to: GeneralMayhem

Well, i hail from the same land and experience mental health issues myself and have to say attempting to get ones GP to refer you a proper psychiatrist or phycologist can be like pulling teeth.

Best you can hope for is a referral to the likes of S.T.E.P.S or Breathing space who may or may not, depending on their assessment, decide to offer a limited one on one counseling service with a cognitive therapist.

Took me near enough 10 years of begging my GP before they eventually decided to refer me to a professional, which after assessment came to the conclusion i suffer from PTSD, severe anxiety and clinical depression.

Tell you one thing though they will hand out antidepressants and mood stabilizers by the bucket load and chalk and change the regime for years before considering further referral to a specialist, there is monies to be made you see from all those lovely drugs.

At least that's my take on the situation.

You know who else don't like the idea of mental health problems being real? Scientologists. Scientology hates psychiatry. Why? Old Ron Hubbard had mental health issues

a reply to: Noinden

True dat, but the man could indeed spin a good yarn!

a reply to: andy06shake

Eh I preferred Heinlein or Howard for my pulp fiction HE could construct a robust cult however.

a reply to: Noinden

The problem lies when they start to see ££££/$$$$ signs.

Else let these cultists believe as they wish, as long as they are not pushing it down our throats.

Same with all organized religious practice really.

a reply to: andy06shake

Well the word cult is not inherently dirty, its just following a single leader, its when that becomes slavish, then when you add money in, its a business, and well hostile takeovers and eliminations of competitors happen

a reply to: Noinden

Is that not the basis the op was written on ? We're not here to discuss individual cases /his or our own , but psychiatry as a whole .
Its variable uses as an unaccountable tool which continually defies scrutiny . the premise that it must it must force its analized meanings into every level of life
If we must work on a basic level , then I knew someone who declared he was bi-polar : if I's had the heart I would have said , no , you're not , you're YOU

a reply to: GeneralMayhem

Again no. Mental health is a thing. You don't have to like it. But it is a quantifiable thing. People respond to treatments.

So what skin do you have in this?