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originally posted by: AnonymousMoose
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: AnonymousMoose
originally posted by: dianajune
I've said repeatedly that they do NOT work.
Sanctions and an oil embargo are what pushed Japan to bomb us in WWII, sounds like the same issues will bring us into WWIII
China and Russia aren't going to start a world war over North Korea, despite your sick wishes.
pretty sure my post was anti-sanctions, and thus anti-war...you don't think n. korea could push china and russia to war?
This is the same rationale why people said we couldn't attack Syria for their use of chemical weapons. It would start WW3 with Russia. That didn't happen. Russia and China don't want a full-scale war any more than we do. If we conducted a limited operation and pledged not to actually invade the country and turn it into a democracy, I don't believe China would counter-attack. It's not in their best interest, just like it wasn't in Russia's best interest to counter-attack us when we hit Syria.
If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so.
originally posted by: fleabit
This is the same rationale why people said we couldn't attack Syria for their use of chemical weapons. It would start WW3 with Russia. That didn't happen. Russia and China don't want a full-scale war any more than we do. If we conducted a limited operation and pledged not to actually invade the country and turn it into a democracy, I don't believe China would counter-attack. It's not in their best interest, just like it wasn't in Russia's best interest to counter-attack us when we hit Syria.
Russia didn't say if we launched an attack, they would stop us. They in fact, were given heads-up prior to the attack. And it was on a single airbase.
China has said quite clearly..
If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so.
They have said if NK provokes the attack, they are on their own. But they would come to the defense of NK if the U.S. initiates the attack. The Pentagon can't be as flippant when starting a war - they need to ensure it won't provoke China.. and also need to make certain that Japan and SK are on board with it. They stand a great deal to lose, and ignoring your allies AND defying China isn't a sound strategic move.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: alldaylong
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas
we invented them?
From you link.
1943 - August - Quebec Agreement signed by President Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.A team of British scientists join the Manhattan Project,including Klaus Fuchs.
So who invented them ?
You don't really think that team of British scientists was the Project do you? Most of the people on the project were Americans. I'm perfectly willing to give the foreign members of the team the credit they deserve too.
Of course i don't think The British Team were the project.
However i do have an issue when Americans come on here and proclaim " We invented it "
Which bloody " we " are they referring to, as if i couldn't guess.
You can't deny it was an American project funded largely by American money and mostly employing American scientists. If we want to get technical, Leo Szilard obtained a patent for the concept of an uncontrolled chain reaction that could potentially be used as a weapon in 1934. He was Hungarian but he was a British citizen at the time. He later moved to the US and became a US citizen. A theoretical concept and a working device are two different things. Americans largely worked out the actual mechanism to turn it into a usable bomb. As with most things, it's complicated.
originally posted by: alldaylong
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: alldaylong
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas
we invented them?
From you link.
1943 - August - Quebec Agreement signed by President Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.A team of British scientists join the Manhattan Project,including Klaus Fuchs.
So who invented them ?
You don't really think that team of British scientists was the Project do you? Most of the people on the project were Americans. I'm perfectly willing to give the foreign members of the team the credit they deserve too.
Of course i don't think The British Team were the project.
However i do have an issue when Americans come on here and proclaim " We invented it "
Which bloody " we " are they referring to, as if i couldn't guess.
You can't deny it was an American project funded largely by American money and mostly employing American scientists. If we want to get technical, Leo Szilard obtained a patent for the concept of an uncontrolled chain reaction that could potentially be used as a weapon in 1934. He was Hungarian but he was a British citizen at the time. He later moved to the US and became a US citizen. A theoretical concept and a working device are two different things. Americans largely worked out the actual mechanism to turn it into a usable bomb. As with most things, it's complicated.
You have to go further back than 1934 and Leo Szilard. Back to 1917 and Ernest Rutherford in fact.
Rutherford was the first to spilt the atom thus causing the first ever nuclear reaction by artificial means.
That was the dawn of the nuclear age.
China said they'd defend NK if we tried to initiate a regime change. One of my main points in my posts on this issue has been to stress if we do do something, we have to make sure China and NK know it's not a regime change, just a limited strike on their nuclear program.
Szilard has the patent on the original idea of using it for a bomb
Szilárd asked the British War Office to keep the patent secret but was turned down.13 In February 1936, he offered it successfully to the British Admiralty with the help of a letter from physicist Alexander Lindemann, director of Clarendon Laboratory at Oxford University.14 Szilárd explained in the letter to the Admiralty that the patented process could contribute to bombs “very many thousand times more powerful than ordinary bombs” and drew attention to the threat of foreign powers using them