Liberals on the wrong side of history

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Ah, I see where you're coming from now. Respectable post.

originally posted by: Slanter
a reply to: neo96

except for those silly things like ending slavery, equal rights, women's rights... etc.

Wasn't liberals that ended slavery.

Equal rights ? Except for rich folks and gun owners and whoever liberals happen to hate the ever living hell out of at the moment.


No exception.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Slanter
a reply to: neo96

except for those silly things like ending slavery, equal rights, women's rights... etc.

Wasn't liberals that ended slavery.

Yes it was. The original Republican party was Socialist.

a reply to: neo96

Abraham Lincoln was a liberal president. Just because he was a republican doesn't mean he wasn't liberal.

Women's sufferage and giving African Americans the right to vote were both the result of liberal ideals. You think those were bad things?

a reply to: face23785

Good post. It's sad really. Their power and influence in this country has been going down steadily since Barack Obama became president.

And now it's being capped off by sex crimes, of all things.

originally posted by: fiverx313
i think you need to draw a distinction between elected democrats and the liberals down here on the ground. i think most of us real-life liberals are happy to throw them all on the fire, left and right, when this kind of news comes out. i've seen far more of us saying that they need to apologize and step down than i see of real-life conservatives saying the same about trump or moore.

just my two cents.

Not a liberal, nor a conservative here...but I agree with you. I don't know too many people on either side that don't want the sexual pandering to stop.

But it's easy to slam on "the other side" of the political spectrum...because they're all hypocrites, even if one side refuses to see their own hypocrites.

originally posted by: neo96
Liberals on the wrong side of history

They've never been on the right side of history.

EVER.

Whatever you believe is not right.

AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN!


see...his is how the divide grows. You're so right, and everything you disagree with is AAAAAAARARAAFAAAAFAFAAAGATAGAAAJAJAGAHNSNNDNFJNBXFSFFWVVDV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

But good on you for being "right"

originally posted by: Slanter
a reply to: neo96

Abraham Lincoln was a liberal president. Just because he was a republican doesn't mean he wasn't liberal.

Women's sufferage and giving African Americans the right to vote were both the result of liberal ideals. You think those were bad things?

The Log Jamming Republicans even think he was gay.
Or is that log cabin, I don't remember.

The way I've always understood it, "liberals" believe that people are basically good but are sometimes driven to do bad things by "The Man," or external circumstances where they have to do bad things to survive. "Conservatives," on the other hand, believe people are inherently bad and need to be controlled by smarter people (themselves) using religion/law.

Since history is so often the documentation of conflict, that tends to prove people are naturally violent and bad, and that the conservatives are more right than the liberals. HOWEVER... if you include the part of history where people explored the world and developed mutually-beneficial trade, and the population continues to grow with a lot of peaceful reproduction, that tends to prove the liberals right that if you just give people a chance, they generally want to cooperate with each other to help everybody live better lives.

So I guess it just depends what kind of history you're talking about.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: neo96
Liberals on the wrong side of history

They've never been on the right side of history.

EVER.

Child labor laws? Environmental Protection? Food and drug safety?

That and founding the country itself.

Really the PILGRIMS were liberals ?

Last time I checked they can't even admit GOD even exists, and are always running around screaming separation of church and state while dictating to the church.

jesus.....the people that wrote the constitution were RADICAL LIBERALS of their time....read a history book and understand the contextual nature of the politics associated with, and the countries involved in, the birth of the American nation.

a reply to: jimmyx

Neo always deals in absolutes. Rich people are good, poor people are bad. All republicans are good, all democrats are bad, all republicans are conservative, all democrats are liberals, all liberals are godless heathens, and all Christians are conservative. Oh, and if you're christian can't believe in separation of church and state.

a reply to: jimmyx

jesus.....the people that wrote the constitution were RADICAL LIBERALS of their time....read a history book and understand the contextual nature of the politics associated with, and the countries involved in, the birth of the American nation.

The "liberals" today are nothing like the liberals of that time, unfortunately.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: jimmyx

jesus.....the people that wrote the constitution were RADICAL LIBERALS of their time....read a history book and understand the contextual nature of the politics associated with, and the countries involved in, the birth of the American nation.

The "liberals" today are nothing like the liberals of that time, unfortunately.

You didn't start or finish that statement with "My opinion is..."
Nor did you back it up with facts to support your statement.

a reply to: the owlbear

You didn't start or finish that statement with "My opinion is..."
Nor did you back it up with facts to support your statement.

Sorry, I assumed it was already a known fact among the educated.

Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on the unalienable rights of the individual. The fundamental liberal ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion for all belief systems, and the separation of church and state, right to due process, and equality under the law are widely accepted as a common foundation across the spectrum of liberal thought.

Modern liberalism in the United States includes issues such as same-sex marriage, reproductive and other women's rights, voting rights for all adult citizens, civil rights, environmentalism, and government protection of freedom from want.[1] National social services such as: equal education opportunities; access to health care; and transportation infrastructure are intended to meet the responsibility to "promote the general welfare" of all citizens. Some American liberals, who call themselves classical liberals, fiscal conservatives, or libertarians, support fundamental liberal ideals but disagree with modern liberal thought, holding that economic freedom is more important than equality, and that providing for the general welfare exceeds the legitimate role of government.[2]

Since the 1930s, without a qualifier the term "liberalism" in the United States usually refers to "modern liberalism", a political philosophy exemplified by Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal and, later, Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. It is a form of social liberalism, whose accomplishments include the Works Progress Administration and the Social Security Act in 1935, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Wikipedia - Liberalism
Wikipedia - Liberalism in the United States

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: the owlbear

You didn't start or finish that statement with "My opinion is..."
Nor did you back it up with facts to support your statement.

Sorry, I assumed it was already a known fact among the educated.

Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on the unalienable rights of the individual. The fundamental liberal ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion for all belief systems, and the separation of church and state, right to due process, and equality under the law are widely accepted as a common foundation across the spectrum of liberal thought.

Modern liberalism in the United States includes issues such as same-sex marriage, reproductive and other women's rights, voting rights for all adult citizens, civil rights, environmentalism, and government protection of freedom from want.[1] National social services such as: equal education opportunities; access to health care; and transportation infrastructure are intended to meet the responsibility to "promote the general welfare" of all citizens. Some American liberals, who call themselves classical liberals, fiscal conservatives, or libertarians, support fundamental liberal ideals but disagree with modern liberal thought, holding that economic freedom is more important than equality, and that providing for the general welfare exceeds the legitimate role of government.[2]

Since the 1930s, without a qualifier the term "liberalism" in the United States usually refers to "modern liberalism", a political philosophy exemplified by Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal and, later, Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. It is a form of social liberalism, whose accomplishments include the Works Progress Administration and the Social Security Act in 1935, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Wikipedia - Liberalism
Wikipedia - Liberalism in the United States

Sorry my Wikipedia skills are not up to par with yours.
You win. Is that what you want to hear?

a reply to: the owlbear

Sorry my Wikipedia skills are not up to par with yours.
You win. Is that what you want to hear?

Neither is your knowledge of simple history. You could easily go remedy that.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: the owlbear

Sorry my Wikipedia skills are not up to par with yours.
You win. Is that what you want to hear?

Neither is your knowledge of simple history. You could easily go remedy that.

You could also easily remedy using the term "liberal" as an insult but I don't see that happening.

And my knowledge of history is vast. I am an historian by education and view things from all angles. Not just LIBRBRUL. ARGGG...
I keep an open mind. Every viewpoint.

a reply to: the owlbear

You could also easily remedy using the term "liberal" as an insult but I don't see that happening.

And my knowledge of history is vast. I am an historian by education and view things from all angles. Not just LIBRBRUL. ARGGG...
I keep an open mind. Every viewpoint.

Tell me about it. The use of the term "liberal" as an insult is just as idiotic as using the term "liberal" to describe a progressive. Both are insulting in my opinion.

Sexual harassment and assault go across the lines, first.

Secondly, the reality is that a majority of people in politics are political partisan hacks. In this case it's a bunch of Democratic elites trying hard not to lose any power or let Republicans score some points (in their mind). Yes, there are a ton of "progressive" hypocrites. It's just like them saying that neo con Wall Street shill Hillary Clinton is some big feminist win. It's really that simple. They attack the other team, and defend their own. I know a lot of these people. I've come to realize that, having worked with a bunch of politicos, that many have an extraordinary penchant for justification of anything their party does, cognitive dissonance, and dismissal of any counter evidence. You almost have to to stay happy in politics.

a reply to: face23785

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: the owlbear

You could also easily remedy using the term "liberal" as an insult but I don't see that happening.

And my knowledge of history is vast. I am an historian by education and view things from all angles. Not just LIBRBRUL. ARGGG...
I keep an open mind. Every viewpoint.

Tell me about it. The use of the term "liberal" as an insult is just as idiotic as using the term "liberal" to describe a progressive. Both are insulting in my opinion.

Interestingly, some liberals told me recently I wasn't a "liberal" because I'm more to the left like green party status. I hadn't realized that "liberal" now had come only to mean mainstream democrats.