FBI has not verified Trump dossier

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: introvert

Nobody but they have also not come out and said yes it is true or we have verified X% of it, and if any portion of it was untrue and it was used to get the warrants there will be problems for them, its just a matter of whos head will roll, or can they find a loop hole.

Actually the CIA and FBI have both said it's about 80% true.

Shurrrrr they have.

originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: xuenchen

More fake news from the fake right. The only thing the right has to back up their crazy conspiracies are fake news articles like this one. Give it a rest already.

Notice, nobody has posted this story about trumps campaign coordinator and 'family values' Republican pleading guilty to child sex trafficking. I might make a thread about it. He was caught with child porn, and having sex with a 17 year old boy he called Baby Boy. Gross!!!!


www.yahoo.com...

You mean the FBI that no one trusts? That FBI? It's funny how trust is so fickle and only comes when it supports someone's biases.

Not commenting on the validity of the dossier, just the cognitive dissonance running through a lot of people's minds.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: introvert

Nobody but they have also not come out and said yes it is true or we have verified X% of it, and if any portion of it was untrue and it was used to get the warrants there will be problems for them, its just a matter of whos head will roll, or can they find a loop hole.

Actually the CIA and FBI have both said it's about 80% true.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: xuenchen

It seems to be accurate:

Christopher Steele believes his dossier on Trump-Russia is 70-90% accurate

How can the guy who wrote it only BELIEVE it's 70-90% accurate? That's pretty funny. Plenty of folks BELIEVE a lot of things. Shouldnt he KNOW its accurate or not? And why put in the other 10-30% that he apparently BELIEVES is inaccurate? Just to throw some fun curveballs in?

Because it's an intel-report, the purpose of such is to gather a precis of what rumours are on the ground from various sources. By definition they should have curveballs and innacuracies within, with some form of qualifier claiming such claims are likely untrue but more evidence is required.

Dossiers and intel reports aren't meant to be court/legal documents that require cast iron proof. They're merely a report on what various sources claim to have happened - such intel has to be built upon before any action is/isn't taken.

Please link to the quote from the CIA and FBI on this....

a reply to: xuenchen

Yup. BBC editor's FBI source:
www.bbc.co.uk...
"Sometimes he would get spun by somebody. [But] it was always 80% there."

Former CIA officer John Sipher - “Many of my former CIA colleagues have taken [the Steele] reports seriously since they were first published,” www.theguardian.com...

Same goes for most intel agencies - trick is to use decent sources.

a reply to: bastion

And if something with this level of inaccuracy was used to obtain FISA warrants, that's ok?

originally posted by: kurthall

originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: xuenchen

More fake news from the fake right. The only thing the right has to back up their crazy conspiracies are fake news articles like this one. Give it a rest already.

Notice, nobody has posted this story about trumps campaign coordinator and 'family values' Republican pleading guilty to child sex trafficking. I might make a thread about it. He was caught with child porn, and having sex with a 17 year old boy he called Baby Boy. Gross!!!!


www.yahoo.com...

Pretty sure there already is a thread. This was all over the news when it happened. And he was a county coordinator for whatever county in Oklahoma, not trumps personal campaign coordinator, but these details elude most. Guy is a sicko and deserves life.

a reply to: Vasa Croe



I looked it up and found MANY sources that say the Dossier is mostly true. Here is a Newsweek link...



www.newsweek.com...


In other news, trumps campaign coordinator, and 'family values' Republican plead guilty to child sex trafficking and child porn. He is looking at life in prison .trump only surrounds himself with the best people, just like him.



www.yahoo.com...

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

How would someone obtain a FISA warrant just off an intel report? Why would they be reliant on Steele's dossier for such a warrant when there's actual spies and spy agencies part of Five Eyes who claim to corroborate or hold much greater evidence than the report?

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Vasa Croe



I looked it up and found MANY sources that say the Dossier is mostly true. Here is a Newsweek link...



www.newsweek.com...


In other news, trumps campaign coordinator, and 'family values' Republican plead guilty to child sex trafficking and child porn. He is looking at life in prison .trump only surrounds himself with the best people, just like him.



www.yahoo.com...

LOL...a regurgitation of every other story about the guy writing the book. Got any actual sources?

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

How would someone obtain a FISA warrant just off an intel report? Why would they be reliant on Steele's dossier for such a warrant when there's actual spies and spy agencies part of Five Eyes who claim to corroborate or hold much greater evidence than the report?

Ask Loretta Lynch....she signed them.

a reply to: bastion

How would someone obtain a FISA warrant just off an intel report?

I don't know, but CNNs sources seem to think it played a role:

Washington (CNN)The FBI last year used a dossier of allegations of Russian ties to Donald Trump's campaign as part of the justification to win approval to secretly monitor a Trump associate, according to US officials briefed on the investigation.

The dossier has also been cited by FBI Director James Comey in some of his briefings to members of Congress in recent weeks, as one of the sources of information the bureau has used to bolster its investigation, according to US officials briefed on the probe.

This includes approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor the communications of Carter Page, two of the officials said. Last year, Page was identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser on national security.

CNN

Warrant applications were turned down twice before, then they get the dossier and the warrant goes through. What other conclusion can be reached than the dossier at least played a role in the obtaining of the warrant?



Also, remember that former FBI director James Comey admitted to leaking information (while he was still FBI director) to a close friend with the intention that the information in those leaks make it to the press in order to get a special counsel appointed.

a reply to: Vasa Croe



It would not matter what link I gave you. Here is an interesting link discussing the Dossier. trump is the only source you people on the alt right seem to trust. Which only proves, there really is one born every minute. www.politico.com...

Why did they get it in installments?

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: xuenchen

It seems to be accurate:

Christopher Steele believes his dossier on Trump-Russia is 70-90% accurate

Kanye West believes 70-90% of the things he says and he likes Fishsticks.
Using Steele as a verification source is well........stupid.

originally posted by: Templeton
Why did they get it in installments?

Probably because of "payment" installments.

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Vasa Croe



It would not matter what link I gave you. Here is an interesting link discussing the Dossier. trump is the only source you people on the alt right seem to trust. Which only proves, there really is one born every minute. www.politico.com...

I actually go for government sourced documents typically...but continue the butthurt...it is strong with "you people".

a reply to: xuenchen

I found a Forbes article I read back in January which was compelling enough to illustrate the dossier was indeed fake.

It was this one particular statement by the author of the article which always rang the truest:

In 2011, when the courtship purportedly begins, Trump was a TV personality and beauty pageant impresario. Neither in the U.S. or Russia would anyone of authority anticipate that Trump would one day become the presidential candidate of a major U.S. political party, making him the target of Russian intelligence.

Source: www.forbes.com...

originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: introvert
A jury is instructed about reasonable doubt. The dossier raises a million red flags are far as reasonable doubt goes.

The biggest red flag of all is that the dossier was commissioned as a political hit piece, and the author (Steele) was a paid a lot of money to write it.

That much has now been admitted to by the law firm that was used as an intermediary.

a reply to: Outlier13

That is very compelling considering we know that portions of the dossier originated with...Russian Intelligence.