Blue States Practice the Family Values Red States Preach

a reply to: projectvxn

The truth that posters like the OP don't want to acknowledge is that anyone who wants their kids to get ahead knows they have to teach them to get out of high school, get married, hold down a full-time job *before* they think about children.

When conservatives talk about this or the religious, leftists call it preaching morality, but the dirty little secret is that they know it too even if they won't admit as much and anyone who wants their kids to be successful in any way will drum it into their kids to try to give them the best chance in life they can have, no matter what source you claim it's from.

a reply to: Kettu

As a California resident, while California is a blue state, California has problems of decadency.

For example, the Bill Nye sex junk video which was produced by Hollyweird.

One answer to teen pregnancy may be that more people in red states dislike abortion. Thus the baby is born and possibly given up for adoption.

Btw, that was sure a small selection of states.

a reply to: projectvxn

We are talking about individual house hold moral behavior though so the split would be left-right not area of red -blue land.
population wise ca is split left-right, is it not?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: projectvxn

The truth that posters like the OP don't want to acknowledge is that anyone who wants their kids to get ahead knows they have to teach them to get out of high school, get married, hold down a full-time job *before* they think about children.

Then I guess according to the numbers, parents in states that vote Republican at higher rates aren't doing so hot at parenting? Because if what you say is true about teaching kids to get out of high school, then get married, hold down and job and *then* think about having kids...they're certainly doing a bang up job of it in so-called "red states". . . Hmmm?

a reply to: Kettu

If you look at the map that was posted ... most counties in most states, including blue ones, are actually red. So I'd say most parents are doing just fine with it.

I think you are either looking at a north-south or a poverty issue when it comes to parenting problems, but then again, poor voters can and do vote for Democrats as often as Republicans - see the urban poor. The things you are crowing about are things that tend to make people poor and it has been documented that those things are also cyclical. Teen moms tend to beget future teens moms themselves.

Also, if what you are talking about was solely a failure of traditional values, you would expect Utah to be very, very bad off, but it's squeaky cleaner than most of your sainted blue states. So I think your hypothesis doesn't quite wash as neatly as you want.

Understand something in this conversation you are having with me, *you* are the one playing partisan games. I am not.

a reply to: ketsuko


There is definitely some truth to this.


Of course, if they don't have any desire to have children, "marriage" is really only useful for preserving property rights and a few other legal issues related to tax.


I tell mine to worry more about what they want to accomplish in whatever time is allotted to them. Love, marriage and relationships can be distractions and the compromises they force can shatter your dreams and block you from achieving your goals as surely as any bullet.


Fortunately, my ex and I were close to 30 before our daughter was born. If your going to have children, its best to wait until you can prepare for the responsibility. There are plenty of others who are focused on rutting to the exclusion of everything else.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

The presumption here is that they are having children. Those are three things that should be done before they have kid(s).

If they're not looking to have kids, then marriage isn't as important. However, should they screw up and get knocked up, they need to understand the disadvantage they are placing both themselves and their child at from the start.

Kids do best in life when they have that stable, emotional family life, and the best way to provide that is with a family that has two stable providers, both financially if need be and emotionally. Not to mention the enormous advantage that two extended kin networks can also provide to the family unit.

We are becoming too disconnected these days.

a reply to: ketsuko


I absolutely agree.

a reply to: Kettu

They base this on kids? Kids tend to rebel. If their parents have liberal beliefs/lives, the kids can be more conservative. Same with conservative parents, kids will be liberal, at least until they grow up. I have 2 kids, twins, one is way more liberal than the other. Guess what I am?

Their research (if you can call it that), is dubious.

The problem with the OP is that it is very difficult to say that there are blue states and red states mainly because most states are in fact red. However, major urban population centers tend to be blue.

Without knowing where exactly the sample set is drawn from what you could have is blue city urban poverty having large amounts of teen pregnancies but state level data suggesting it is occurring in a red state.

By in large, teen pregnancy is highly correlated with poverty and low education. This is why you see relatively high numbers in the states like Mississippi, Alabama, etc. At the same time, you will also see very high numbers in cities like NYC, Chicago, etc.

Overall, the study cited by the OP is sloppy and clearly biased.

a reply to: Kettu

Poverty and lack of education is more of a factor than "Red" vs. "Blue".

Look at the demographics. More people who identify as "Democrat" are middle class or above and more educated than most of those who identify as Republican. Poor people are more inclined to lean right and wealthier people are more inclined to lean left.

a reply to: redhorse

Unless you are urban poor ... please find me the urban poor who vote red.

originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: Kettu

Poverty and lack of education is more of a factor than "Red" vs. "Blue".

Look at the demographics. More people who identify as "Democrat" are middle class or above and more educated than most of those who identify as Republican. Poor people are more inclined to lean right and wealthier people are more inclined to lean left.

Except for the big majorities in the big city poverty zones.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: redhorse

Unless you are urban poor ... please find me the urban poor who vote red.

Overall, you are incorrect.

Democrats hold advantages in party identification among blacks, Asians, Hispanics, well-educated adults and Millennials. Republicans have leads among whites – particularly white men, those with less education and evangelical Protestants

Link

a reply to: Kettu

Complete BS survey on "morality" of Blue cities/states.

By that "logic", a blue state or city, say, Baltimore, Chicago, or Detroit would be more "moral" or safer that say Kansas City or any city in Idaho.

Actual MURDER statistics contradict your "theory".

Some liberals posted this,all you have to do is watch the media,where are all these blue states? the one Antifa,BLM riot in,liberals are lowlifes who lie to get their opinion across

Some liberals posted this,all you have to do is watch the media,where are all these blue states? the one Antifa,BLM riot in,liberals are lowlifes who lie to get their opinion across

a reply to: redhorse

And if you look in general at the overall educational levels of blacks and Hispanics, you will find they are less educated on average than whites.

That does not mean there are not well educated blacks and Hispanics, only that the general average educational level is overall lower for them as demographics.

I also love how the source you quote states "particularly men, those with less education and evangelical Protestants" as if being a man, being less educated and being an evangelical Protestant might as well be synonymous. I am only surprised they didn't stick Southerners in there since they also had that demographic split out too. Maybe they knew they'd be going a wee bit overboard? Nice verbal slight of hand there.

If you look at the actual graphic in your link, those are separate categories. Perhaps for a reason?

I'm just popping in here to snicker at the hypocrisy of our R members who love to point out all the faults of Blue states broad0brush style, but can't own up to their beloved Red states' faults & deflect to county breakdowns to shove it under the rug.