All Politicians suck

a reply to: diggindirt

I believed the lies.

But Gary Johnson was no peach either. His running mate endorsed Hillary!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
But Gary Johnson was no peach either.

I would have voted for an actual peach if I could.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: DBCowboy
But Gary Johnson was no peach either.

I would have voted for an actual peach if I could.

Make America Cobbler Again

a reply to: DBCowboy

I thought Johnson was a doof.

I'm also not convinced that strengthening third parties is really the effective solution its frequently portrayed as being.

I wish it was, since that would be one of the "easiest" courses of action. But, I don't think the current screwiness of things with two sides couldn't extend to many more groups.

Actually, the cynic in me expects third parties to intentionally gain in strength in order to give some breathing room from the public.

I think the worst part, and maybe even a pertinent area of focus, is that politicians are us. They are spawned from the exact same society as literally everyone else. So, even if we take a good, hard look at problematic individual politicians (or even as a group), the same type of person will continue to be drawn to, and employed in those positions.

I'm actually not sure its a fixable problem without some pretty drastic changes to society and culture as a whole. Technology changes that conversation immensely, but its still a very, very tall order. To say the least...

a reply to: Serdgiam

I should have voted for Giant Meteor.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Her literal iron will would have crushed all opposition! Literally!

When it comes down to it, I think we actually have some promising options. However, they have nothing to do with politicians or "converting the non-believers at any cost" to any currently existing ideology.

I think we should be trying to come up with entirely novel and original systems, approaches, and paradigms. Not too many are even remotely interested in that discussion though.. and, plenty of the ones that say they are tend to mention it only as a platitude (for various reasons).

I mean, there was a time when systems like capitalism, socialism, communism, etc. didn't exist as coherent, standardized platforms. I don't think we have exhausted all options, especially with how our tools impact our culture so completely.

Meh.. I'm no better either though. I gave up trying to sincerely have those conversations years ago. Even so, I suspect we are on the cusp of some big changes in that arena whether we want it or not. Our tools have surpassed our ability to adapt to them, as a society and culture, and I suspect its only a short matter of time before that really bites us. I'd say a max of 100 years.

a reply to: Serdgiam

I'm not sure we'll ever see any change. Trump is great, but he isn't congress and congress won't change.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I honestly have *zero* doubt we are going to see massive, massive "change" in humanities way of life, and in relatively short order.

Now, whether or not it is in any way "good...." I have my doubts. Same goes for whether or not it will actually improve the governmental and societal issues we have today.

My expectation is that it won't, and that we are engineering our own destruction. So, no Giant Meteor needed!

I expect it to be equal parts fascinating and horrifying. But, at least we will no longer be concerned with "minor" issues like a completely corrupt political system. Silver lining and all that

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
All that and you'll still vote for Republicans next November. LOL

No, but go ahead and keep voting for democrats.

He likes Marxism. It's OK for him to vote for them. They actually are giving what he thinks he wants. When he gets it good and hard he might change his mind, but by then, it will be far, far too late, and all of us who might have helped him will have long since been lined up against a wall somewhere and shot for "wrongthink."

a reply to: DBCowboy

I think we need to create a super-secret generation ship project to try to take off and colonize the nearest earth-like planet that can sustain life.

Not only would be have too much survival to do on the way, but we would also have too much survival to do when we got there to worry about first world problems for a very, very long time. Even then, we would have an entire planet to spread out on allowing people to get. the. hell. away. from. each. other. which is what I suspect is most of our problem.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: diggindirt

I believed the lies.

But Gary Johnson was no peach either. His running mate endorsed Hillary!

No, but we're not making cobbler here. We were trying to elect someone with a modicum of intelligence and the ability to get things done in Congress. Johnson has a reputation of being able to work with both parties to get things done for the people he serves. We shouldn't be going for perfection because that ain't gonna happen. Pure old common sense should have told us that with the yuuuuggggeee amount of baggage the two mainstream party candidates had, we would experience exactly what we see today---endless bickering over whose candidate was the worst, the most corrupt and ineffective due to scandals and corruption.

I still have hope for Trump since he was the lesser of the two evils. A lot of folks believed the lies put out by Congress critters....so now we're seeing the same old stuff from the same old, tired, corrupt politicians who have never done anything for the people they're elected to SERVE. The ones who aren't in that category are getting shot, shot at and attacked in their own yard!

The mere fact that most of Congress get re-elected year after year proves to me that most voters fit the definition of insane because they keep electing these party hacks time after time and yet expect them to behave differently.

Politics just suck.

Get rid of politics this country, It's people, and the world would be better off.

When the people have been reduced to nothing more than two things,

A vote, and a wallet.

It's a massive problem far too many are fine with.

America will never be great again. If it ever was.

Far too many are stuck in their id complex.

'I want'.

Becoming self reliant is the only way to take yourself out of the game.

Because there is only one person YOU can truly count on.

You!

You won't sell yourself out.

You won't screw the many over a vote.

You won't go around blaming foreign states for your short comings(we all have them).

As a wise guy once said. Be the change you seek.