Is It Now Considered “Sexual Misconduct” to Ask For Sex?

a reply to: BlackProject

So I guess we know where you stand on the issue.
Good to know...

Think I'll leave you guys to discuss what methods are potentially acceptable to get rocks off and how to defend those poor men from those awful vindictive women.

Occam can continue to justify violating boundaries and poor Phage will try to talk sense in an non-sensical world (:

For those questioning the whole current sturm und drang, perhaps consider 'rape culture' and where the term comes from and why it has been gaining traction.

Keep defending Louis if you dare...

“The male courage, traditionally, is that he decided to ask… And the courage it takes for a woman to say yes is beyond anything I can imagine.” Here, he starts to ramp up: “Globally and historically, we’re the number one threat of injury and mayhem to women. We’re the worst thing that ever happens to them. That’s true!” At this point the audience discomfort breaks into laughter, but CK’s got further to go with the joke: “If you’re a guy, try to imagine that you could only date a half-bear, half-lion. ‘Oh, I hope this one’s nice. I hope he doesn’t do what he’s going to do.’”

Louis CK

The scope of what LCK did was pretty minor. He didn't touch people, he didn't violate them, and he realized pretty quickly what was wrong once it was explained to him.

I for one don't think he's a monster, but I'm glad it's a high profile case that shows how things can go wrong. Yes doesn't always mean yes.

I hope his career recovers, he's not a sexual predator.

originally posted by: melatonin
Think I'll leave you guys to discuss what methods are potentially acceptable to get rocks off and how to defend those poor men from those awful vindictive women.

Here’s what I do.

Get a Hotel room in New Jersey, and specify there is a VCR machine and NO SPY STUFF.
Then I get loaded on booze and an eight ball BEFORE the 15 year old arrives with the
Frasier cassettes and woman’s lingerie in my size.

As the cocaethylene spreads from my liver, cautiously
I molest myself UNDER THE COVERS while watching myself in a Louis XIV compact, making generous use of myriad African fertility idols like those decorating Frasier’s place, all the while muttering to the ceiling my name, and that I have NOT HAD SEX IN A DECADE. The teen is kept stationed near the door, in case improprieties are noted during any incidental raid, should the swat team mistakenly arrive at my door.

This is all a matter of sealed records, which fact serves to titillate me to no end.
No crime, no foul.

# 911

a reply to: Aazadan

I hope his career recovers, he's not a sexual predator.

He didn't take advantage of his position to gratify his sexual "needs?" His apology was unnecessary?

originally posted by: TheWhiteKnight

originally posted by: melatonin
Think I'll leave you guys to discuss what methods are potentially acceptable to get rocks off and how to defend those poor men from those awful vindictive women.

Here’s what I do.

Nice. I hope you pay the young boy well D:

I hear the hotel porn channels generally handle most guys 'frustrations' too D:

a reply to: melatonin

Okay, I see, yeah... I wouldn't whip out my dick in front of strangers, myself in the first place.

I request a PC fornication signal...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Aazadan

I hope his career recovers, he's not a sexual predator.

He didn't take advantage of his position to gratify his sexual "needs?" His apology was unnecessary?

He did, from reading his apology though it didn't sound to me like he was aware of what he was doing. What he did was by no means good, I just don't think he was aware it was abuse. Maybe it will end up being an example for others.

You can see it happening - Prophetic like Orwell's "1984" - The totalitarian mind set needs to create the "Anti-Sex League"

So like the proverbial road to Hell being paved with good intentions - The supposedly well meaning attempt to stop

sexual harassement and descrimination turns into a 'witch hunt' where everyone tries to turn any 'pass' someone made

towrds them, even many years ago, into an attack

From 1984:

"The aim of the Party was not merely to prevent men and women from forming loyalties which it might not be able to control. Its real, undeclared purpose was to remove all pleasure from the sexual act. Not love so much as eroticism was the enemy, inside marriage as well as outside it. All marriages between Party members had to be approved by a committee appointed for the purpose, and – though the principle was never clearly stated – permission was always refused if the couple concerned gave the impression of being physically attracted to one another. The only recognized purpose of marriage was to beget children for the service of the Party. Sexual intercourse was to be looked on as a slightly disgusting minor operation, like having an enema. This again was never put into plain words, but in an indirect way it was rubbed into every Party member from childhood onwards. There were even organizations such as the Junior, Anti-Sex League, which advocated complete celibacy for both sexes. All children were to be begotten by artificial insemination (artsem, it was called in Newspeak) and brought up in public institutions. This, Winston was aware, was not meant altogether seriously, but somehow it fitted in with the general ideology of the Party. The Party was trying to kill the sex instinct, or, if it could not be killed, then to distort it and dirty it. He did not know why this was so, but it seemed natural that it should be so. And as far as the women were concerned, the Party's efforts were largely successful. (1.6.9)

The Party seeks not only to sever private loyalties in encouraging chastity, but also to control its constituents’ use of time by advocating the abolition of sex entirely."
Quote source:
www.shmoop.com...


NO - it can't really get that bad, can it

And Salem Witch Trials are a nightmare from the distant past - Are they not

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
If you have to ask for sex you don't deserve to get it.

Spoken like a true rapist. Wake up! This is the 21st century.

The argument against is that it was a workplace, and no one would think it’s olay to ask a coworker if you can jerk off in front of them in the office.
But my argument against is that Louis C.K. is an independent comedian and his dressing room or hotel room is not an office.
Many of the women complaining said yes.
People argue because he is a famous comedian they had no choice.
My response is that these women were not obligated to sleep their way to the top, and women, like a man in that situation should have said “no, that’s weird” (if they thought it was weird).
Women should not be given exalted status with the ability to ruin a man’s career because he asked for sexual interactions and proceeded when given consent. Men don’t have that privilege and women’s say-so shouldn’t be the judge jury and executioner of a man’s career.

Not every human is the same. There are no 'women' and 'men', there are of course but among those, there is a hell of a lot of difference.
I am saying that because I am weird. Don't want to go into too much detail but I almost lose it when guys at work start flirting. I am happily married for over 25 years and I intent to keep it that way. Only I can take things to extremes because my thinking is different from other people.
If you hit on me, it could be that I spent the rest of the day having almost panic attacks. It could even be that I quit working in that place if it isn't sorted. I shouldn't even be in that situation.

I have always treated work as a professional setting and colleagues as just that. Not friends, not sex partners, just colleagues that should do work.

That said, I had more than my fair share of sexual 'harrassment'. As someone said before, I don't know any female that hasn't!


It ranged from being touched on my privates when I was a totally naive 12 yr old in a department store to actually being sexually used without consent more than once and all in between [old men rubbing themselves on me from behind when I was a kid, others following me, whipping their dongs out and far more. I let it all slip by, no police because most women still think that this is how it is because it is just so COMMON!.
Now that I am older I understand that this was abuse, to make another human feel uncomfortable, unhappy or even confused. Why is it ok to do this to women?

Especially if it is a boss [also had experience there], touching your knee and rubbing slightly too high up your leg, whilst talking science...
WHat do you do? I am normally big mouthed and say it as it is, yet in some situations I am not. And why is it ok to put me into those situations?
Women are someone's daughter, sister, mum, wife. They are beings with fears and worries, not just dolls or nasty stirrers [even though there are some].

As to the asking outright. You can try if it is not at work but it is pretty sleazy and disgusting because I am not like that at all and you thought I was.
The last time someone asked me outright was actually as hilarious as it was bad.
Not only was my husband in the house but the guy who pumps out our cesspit chatted a bit with me [and thought probably that that's enough to ask for sex] and at the end when I waited at the door to his lorry for a receipt, [I had his shIt covered shoes at eye hight], when he said "Do you fancy meeting up some time for fun?"

It was the least sexy or appropriate setting ever. Looking at his shoes with the bits clinging on...I declined, laughing and instantly told my husband, we are still laughing at it today.
But what lowlife did he think I was?
No need for wine and dine, getting to know me, having a laugh...no, with shIt on his shoe, whilst writing a receipt, he thought 'it can't do any harm asking'.

That's what's bothering me most. Did he go by looks? Because I like to make an effort, I am 'up for it'? How rude. I was reduced to some organ, when in fact I am quite a deep personality with a lot of experiences in life.
It's all those things that make you feel inhuman as a woman sometimes.

There are two kinds of men. The nice [usually intelligent ones] that can hold a conversation, crack jokes and don't make you feel they think about having sex with you all the time and Neanderthals.
Entitled, sexist and usually of low IQ, who don't see anything wrong with it.

The latter whine and go to extremes saying 'I won't talk to any women ever again otherwise I am seen as a rapist'. Do you hear yourselves? There are in betweens. You could just not wanting sex from every woman you meet. Women can be funny, entertaining and good to hang out with just like any other human. They are not just good for sex.
Yet that is what you are saying [using slightly different words] "Oh, if I can't touch, rub or invite them for a shag, I don't know what else I can do with women because everything I do is always creepy", is what I hear. Maybe you are a creep then!

Trust me if you lot who think like that, would do what you preach [never to speak to a woman again] then the world would be a better place for females.
Fortunately there are proper males out there that wouldn't think like that and are not afraid that someone might think they are a rapist, because they know what is appropriate and what isn't! If you don't know, you need some therapy as there is something not right with you.

silverman was his EX gf no less. she complained he wanted to 'finish off' every morning lol. but told her, go outside and wait if you want.

im into girls right? so this giant guy in the gym is always asking me to hang out. i have no problem with anyone's beliefs, i used to be a bouncer at a crazy club in nyc where there was so many crazy people.

BUT, am i allowed to 'sue' him because some of his stories are lurid? lol.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Pretty clear some don't under stand what free speech is.

What crime was committed ?

Is It Now Considered “Sexual Misconduct” to Ask For Sex?

Other than the ministry of truth running around acting like the brown shirts.

As usual you're moving the goalposts. Your first comment is that "sexual assault" used to just be "rape" (which is, to be blunt, a retarded comment to make) and now you've pivoted into "sexual misconduct."

Few people would argue that hitting on a girl and giving her a compliment is the same as sexual assault (or rape, as you claim it used to "just be called"), other than the people at the other extreme of things from yourself.

But the continued behavior after it's been made clear that it's unwanted becomes harassment, or misconduct if you'd prefer. Sure, you have your right to free speech and to be a complete creep.

And the rest of us have the right to call you the creep you are.

a reply to: Metallicus

Isnt that the exact definition of giving consent?

a reply to: Metallicus


It is absolutely not a crime to ask someone for sex. Continuing to ask them could be construed as harassment, but it only becomes a crime when you force physical contact (assault) or sexual contact (sexual assault). Sexual harassment is a workplace civil offense.

They want to use these celebrities to build a precedent of "lowering the bar" for sexual assault. It will make future sex-related hit jobs easier to pull off against people where it failed against Trump. Usually the sex-allegations hit job is enough to ruin a politician.

Notice we're catching on. Moore isn't dropping out, and his supporters are rightfully demanding evidence and questioning the accuser's story/background AKA their motivations.

When accusers come out of the woodwork, you can be assured it is a hit job 99.9% of the time.

We must learn to ignore the flapping heads, and seek objective analysis of evidence not mere words.

originally posted by: Hecate666
It ranged from being touched on my privates when I was a totally naive 12 yr old in a department store to actually being sexually used without consent more than once and all in between [old men rubbing themselves on me from behind when I was a kid, others following me, whipping their dongs out and far more. I let it all slip by, no police because most women still think that this is how it is because it is just so COMMON!.

Preach it.

But, of course, what you should do is report every little violation to the law, along with all the drama and disruption that entails, or it didn't happen and you're a vindictive woman. And if it costs you a career - tough luck. If the case fails due to lack of legal recourse - tough luck. Probably lying anyway. And, if the case succeeds, then if you're a young rich white guy offender, you'll prolly get sympathy from a male judge and a 6 month sentence for rape.

Again. how many have taken on the question I posed?

Why do these cases go unreported for so long? Why do those on the end of sexual violence and violations tend to not report? Why, in these recent instances, does it take reaching a tipping point for people to feel comfortable reporting?

Then look at some of the responses in the thread and one aspect is pretty bloody obvious.

Take care, Hecate (:

Sadly sex has become undervalued these days, when two people went out in my day, as much as my raging hormones were randy I also wanted to have a good time and impress the young lady I was with, I wanted her to enjoy the time we were having and IF anything happened it wasn't forced or mechanical. These days its purely about sex, zero mystery, zero feeling and basically self gratification for either side (or sometimes not).

The notion of just asking for sex leaves me cold, I'm all about the time around it..

To be honest there's a very fine line between people asking for sex and rape, thankfully it does not get crossed very often but it does happen. All this ' a no is actually a yes' has become blurred to suit the person with the predatory stance.

But there's one thing I want to see more often, people not jumping to conclusions based on stories, lets see some stone cold facts and then be the judge, I dare say most of the people accused will be found to be guilty but until that happens its just stories and stories sometimes are a revenge act or a bandwagon jump, lets find out if its FACT before we jump. Also, people like Gal Gadot who starred in Wonder Woman and the Justice League film about to come out has gone on record that she will not star in any sequels until Brett Ratner is fired by Universal (think its Universal), the man has not been convicted of anything but she's putting extreme pressure on the system to burn him before he's tried. Don't get me wrong, I doubt all the women who have made claims are lying and in my book a rapist is lower than low but we have to apply law and not lynch...

a reply to: Metallicus

if its between two people who are one night standing, asking for sex is a total No
if you are going to have sex with a girl to me its blatantly obvious so you should never have to ask !

As for people in a relationship?

So im abusing my partner by asking her for sex ?

is peg bundy abusing al bundy asking for sex all the time ?

where is the line to be drawn