When Words Become Violence

a reply to: daskakik

technically that is not true words are a physical manifestation of thought
words are produced by sound waves in the larynx
these vibrate air molecules thus affecting matter on a quantum level

sound is vibration , and tesla said think of the Universe in terms of frequency and vibration

what is the most amazing thing is that the vibration of air molecules entering the human ear then decoded and triggering emotional response , positive or negative, is quite amazing!

originally posted by: makalit
as per your response

Now they are gone forever,

But this is no different than any other human action. They took them out. But it's no different than creatively making a rock pattern in your garden. It's just an action.

The complaintant here is you!
You are complaining for disapproval.

Yes I complained, and I hope everyone else would too. The human race was robbed of its history by superstitious men.

Is there something wrong with complaining?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Tell me something Les, and hopefully I'll have the end of it.

You're flying in a plane, let's just say( neverminding, for now, that to learn to do so you had to read books to learn what switch foes what and when to do this etc). As you're flying, you come across an island, and on that island, there are rocks spelled out to say 'Help!'

If you believe words are meaningless as you have off said, then the only option you have is to keep flying. For if you go down to try and help, you have just admitted that word affected you.

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Tell me something Les, and hopefully I'll have the end of it.

You're flying in a plane, let's just say( neverminding, for now, that to learn to do so you had to read books to learn what switch foes what and when to do this etc). As you're flying, you come across an island, and on that island, there are rocks spelled out to say 'Help!'

If you believe words are meaningless as you have off said, then the only option you have is to keep flying. For if you go down to try and help, you have just admitted that word affected you.

I’ve never said words are meaningless. I’ve only ever said they lack magical properties such as force and power.

However, I do know how to read and what the word help means. What the word means, my understanding of it, which I’ve learned and applied over time in my own life, is what affects me.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I challenge your position that words do not have power, for how can you say they dont have power when expressed through song
they drive humans to emotion

that is the most powerful thing on earth in my opinion

words backed with music has the power to warm even the coldest heart

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I challenge your position that words do not have power, for how can you say they dont have power when expressed through song
they drive humans to emotion

that is the most powerful thing on earth in my opinion

words backed with music has the power to warm even the coldest heart

It’s a matter of simple physics. Yes, I understand the metaphor that words make us feel good, they hurt us, and so on, but it does not literally apply. It has turned into a regular old superstition, leading to everything from censorship and genocide.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I understand your position also that words themselves really do not have power over a human who is actually a human being. Words only affect those who are living solely in their ego desires

it is only the ego that is bruised by words, not the human being
it is only the ego that reacts and acts out in offense


That is what I understand at least , I think that is the reason so many are offended in the modern world, because so many are living only through their ego

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No... That's not all you've ever said... And i quote

Even though there is zero evidence that a word can have any effect beyond the effect of its medium—the effects of the breath on the surroundings or the effects of ink on paper for example—humans must be brainwashed to believe the opposite.

You literally said a word only affects air and paper. You've further backed that up by saying that any effect a word could possibly have is solely by the reaction.

Have you never heard of a cause effect relationship? You don't just magically come up with the reaction out of nowhere to go down to the island and help, you do it because the stone word made you aware, it caused you to respond to it, either by going to help or flying away and ignoring it.

Once you see this message of mine it forces you to respond, whether you reply or don't. In your attempt to escape mysticism you have consigned yourself to ignorance.

But go ahead, keep believing that:

reading and understanding my words are the effect of you, not me. 

Because the simple fact is, yes that is my reaction to your words, whatever they may be. There is no magic, that's just the way it works, a happens and causes b. Unless as you're gonna fly over an island that has no stones spelling help and yet somehow react to go help.

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No... That's not all you've ever said... And i quote

Even though there is zero evidence that a word can have any effect beyond the effect of its medium—the effects of the breath on the surroundings or the effects of ink on paper for example—humans must be brainwashed to believe the opposite.

You literally said a word only affects air and paper. You've further backed that up by saying that any effect a word could possibly have is solely by the reaction.

Have you never heard of a cause effect relationship? You don't just magically come up with the reaction out of nowhere to go down to the island and help, you do it because the stone word made you aware, it caused you to respond to it, either by going to help or flying away and ignoring it.

Once you see this message of mine it forces you to respond, whether you reply or don't. In your attempt to escape mysticism you have consigned yourself to ignorance.

But go ahead, keep believing that:

reading and understanding my words are the effect of you, not me. 

Because the simple fact is, yes that is my reaction to your words, whatever they may be. There is no magic, that's just the way it works, a happens and causes b. Unless as you're gonna fly over an island that has no stones spelling help and yet somehow react to go help.

Yes, nothing in there about words being meaningless, which was an outright lie on your part. Yes, simple physics. Breathing, speaking, making sounds from the mouth will disturb the air around it, as will the waves of sound. Making marks on paper, whether they are words or not, effects the paper they are written on. Simple physics. I've said this a thousand times.

Every time you pretend a word flies through the air, affecting your feelings through cause and effect, you are engaging in magical thinking.

No, the word is not "making you aware". You know what the word means; you know that someone put it there; and you jumped into action. That's all on you. Suppose you didn't know what the word means. Did it still "make you aware"? If "help" was written in Arabic, would you jump and go help? No, because words do not make you aware.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yes actually because if a word is written in stones on a beach... Obviously its help. Could not be bit more than likely.

a reply to: LucidWarrior

Yes actually because if a word is written in stones on a beach... Obviously its help. Could not be bit more than likely.

And if you didn't see it, was it the word that made you unaware?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Nothing makes you unaware. It is a natural state. Aware ESS happens, or not, and if the word doesn't make you aware then you must believe that the awareness and reaction of and to words happens completely independent from the word itself. Which is utter foolishness.

Also your comment about breath and paper stopped being an observation of simple physics when you claimed that's the only effect words have. Metaphysics is real, whether you like it or not. Meaning has structures, and that more than any building is what society is composed of.

Finally, the image of a word flying anywhere is your assumptiom, not mine.

Stick and stones will break bones, but words will never kill you.

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yes actually because if a word is written in stones on a beach... Obviously its help. Could not be bit more than likely.

For all you, that help sign now it could be a trap laid out by cannibals or pirates.

And by landing, you did just help by make their day.

a reply to: LucidWarrior

Nothing makes you unaware. It is a natural state. Aware ESS happens, or not, and if the word doesn't make you aware then you must believe that the awareness and reaction of and to words happens completely independent from the word itself. Which is utter foolishness.

Also your comment about breath and paper stopped being an observation of simple physics when you claimed that's the only effect words have. Metaphysics is real, whether you like it or not. Meaning has structures, and that more than any building is what society is composed of.

Finally, the image of a word flying anywhere is your assumptiom, not mine.

What piffle. Words don't make you aware or make you do anything. So long as you control your own eyes, your own body, what you see and in what direction you look, a word on a distant beach cannot control or otherwise "make you aware". Utter nonsense.

Any metaphysical gobbledygook you wish to append to your magical thinking doesn't help your case, whether you like it or not.

Sand is dropped on a table, it brushes against a rounded chop stick, the chop stick rolls+falls off and squishes a bug, and a spider comes and feeds on that bugs gooey remains.

Did the sand feed the spider?

a reply to: makalit

Sand is dropped on a table, it brushes against a rounded chop stick, the chop stick rolls+falls off and squishes a bug, and a spider comes and feeds on that bugs gooey remains.

Did the sand feed the spider?

No. Sand cannot give, let alone give food.

Well, I notice libs get mad about and worry about things that are not really valid. Like i just read some dems (i meant dems) are releasing notes of why trump should be impeached "he is a danger to our nation as he might cause war". To me this is invalid, metaphysical guidance will guide things to go well. Also he is getting along good with the US's biggest threats. I see this a lot that they don't really have many valid points. No offense to them but it's kind of strange to see the intellectual ones getting bent over invalid points.

So that might be the case for the statue. When I first heard about it, I was like maybe they can just overlook that he owned slaves



S&F


JK just copying others behaviours in this strange land

i mean, all of the founding fathers who established what america was, had slaves.

it's like saying you should take out all that they established: white rule.
the whole starting foundation was based on owning slaves.

I know we have to rapport with people against the statues we have to let them know that it's bad to have slavery and no longer agree with it at all. We got to reassure them we are definitely against and do not support it.


S&F for me now.

a reply to: sapien82

Not when they are written down.

Still they can provoke a response. Yes it is pretty amazing.