Today, 9 November 2017, WikiLeaks publishes the source code and development logs to Hive, a major

a reply to: Justso

I think you have misunderstood the implications of this release.

The release details the workings of the malware programs that they operate in order to penetrate the systems of other entities, including, one assumes, private entities like individuals and associations, political and personal.

There is a pretty big difference.

originally posted by: DanteGaland

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
So this proves political rogues at CIA could mimic Russians.

We already knew this.

Wikileaks keeps pushing this...

A ... tad suspicious if you ask me...

Perhaps. But then again, their motives have nothing to do with the details of this story and what they can implicate.

a reply to: TrueBrit

No. I think I got that and I do think the exposure of our country's inner workings that are private could be construed as treasonous by our government and, with maybe by my simpleton self, dangerous to our government's ability to protect itself.

As much as we bash the USA's CIA and FBI, etc. they do work additionally and majorly to protect the citizens.

maybe the CIA set up a "honey trap"

a reply to: Justso

Justso,

The issue here is as follows. The revealing of the inner workings of your government are only treasonous, on the part of those doing the revealing, when the workings they reveal are above board. These workings are not. They are criminal in nature, and penetrate systems used by regular people, which is not something that anyone gave them permission to do. The government may not extend itself to possess power which is not directly given unto it by the people. Unless there is some sort of referendum, which permits the people to have their say as to whether they support the existence of programs like these, and like the mass surveillance system, which are all part and parcel of one another, by the way, then any action on their part which resembles what has been described by whistle blowers, is not valid, or above board in any way, shape or form. The permission of the people is required, but has not been obtained.

And as for the CIA and the FBI, in the case of the CIA and other agencies in the same layer of power, there is overwhelming evidence that they are NOT in the main, obsessed with, or active in the field of protecting the citizen from threats, but are instead about the business of continuing the business of building proxy armies, arming them, then using those proxy armies to induce fear in the population they profess to work on the behalf of, fear that they use to legitimise increased budgets for themselves and for the military, when the greatest problem that the US military has is that the money it spends, is spent unwisely, not that it has too little of it.

They also maintain the blackness of the budgets from which they work, by making money selling drugs and smuggling guns, laundering money, lending their aid to efforts to destabilise other nations economically, and by operating what amounts to industrial espionage against the financial industries of other nations. They also run the propaganda machinery which has succeeded in making people believe that the notoriously morally deficient agencies of the US intelligence community, are operating with the best intentions toward the people of the United States. They simply are not. They absolutely cannot be, since if they were, they would be as obsessed with following and upholding the constitution, something they roundly fail to do where their mass surveillance systems are concerned, something they roundly fail to do by creating for themselves larger and larger budgets to work from, practically unsupervised by any organisation, which can REASONABLY be said to be under the direct or even notional control of the people.

They are the people who started the narco terror groups which inject drugs into the US from practically all over the world at this point, they are the ones who constructed the underpinnings and many of the actual groups involved with religious fundamentalist terror, the ones who trained Osama bin Laden, the ones who offer arms and aid to terror groups even now, the ones who are actually creating many of the threats to the life, the liberty and the freedom of American citizens, as well as those of other nations, including my own.

The intelligence community in the United States, is the biggest threat to the values enshrined in the United States constitution, far outstripping that posed by any of the things which are its issue, including the aforementioned narco and religious terrorism, including other nations, like North Korea, like Russia or even China. There are no things which threaten the United States from without, which are anything like as insidious, powerful, or successful at controlling and harming the people of the United States, as its own security services, and the government which stands between the people and those services, like some sort of glorified secretary, whose job is to lie to everyone about every single thing it does, and the reasons behind it.