The Trump administration has begun detaining US citizens indefinitely and without trial

a reply to: Aazadan

Yup you are 100% right, and it has nothing to do with excisting power structures, money trails, and establishment who do not like a change of the statues quo thats benefits them above the general public.

Sleep well.

a reply to: Aazadan

join ISIS you lose your rights, sorry.


if this was an INNOCENT person that would be another issue.


i say bring him and his ilk out back and put them down no need to waste time or money on them. They would do the same to you without any second thoughts.

why do you care about an ISIS member? I can guarantee you the man being held renounced his US citizenship.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

yes but trump like obama was supposed to bring about change! i knew he just like obama wouldn't change anything. hillary on the other hand she would have gotten things done and i'm not saying that in a good way.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Trueman
So you not even know who is the guy or what he was doing in Iraq. But you made a thread.

When we invaded Iraq initially, we literally kidnapped random people off the streets because of they were wearing Casio watches. Then we threw them in Gitmo for years, without trial, charge, or representation. It was argued it was legal because they weren't citizens. Now we're doing it to citizens, and not even based on evidence of who they are, but what we think they might do in the future.

Casio sucks but I don't believe it was the reason.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

I agree also. Clinton, I do not see as having been a positive option.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: EartOccupant
Trump has done nothing because his ideas are so bad that no one in power wants to support him.

You don't honestly think the job of the president is to generate ideas, do you?

The function of the president is to make the final decision regarding proposed laws. Veto or pass. That's the job. Sure, there's lots of analyzing numbers, talking to specialists and foreign leaders (GASP!) that needs to be done in order to do that job so they do.

Idea generation is farmed out by Congress, the military and intelligence communities to think tanks. I believe new proposals are written more from the recommendations of those think tanks than our elected representatives actual constituents. But either way, it's their job to come up with the ideas.

Put the praise or blame where it belongs.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

So that makes us stuck with Trump for three years.

Now we can cut each-others throat without having a solution, destabilize the nation and world,
Or we can support his GOOD ideas, while looking for a better plan and candidate for next election.

Democrazy has it's flaws. You can not only accept them when they suit you.

originally posted by: EartOccupant
a reply to: Aazadan

Even if true...

Who made that possible by law ?

Bush and Obama !

Yep, this has been going on long before Trump.

a reply to: EartOccupant

Never pas an opportunity to blame something on Trump!

Or the Russians or both .

a reply to: penroc3

So the accusation of joining ISIS is enough in your opinion? If you're going to take such drastic measures, shouldn't the government at a very minimum have to prove you joined ISIS?

a reply to: Aazadan

it's not like this person just decided to vacation to Iraq and just happened to get on the CIA's radar for taking in the food culture of Iraq. Why go to a war zone?


if you want to join isis and shoot at americans(or who ever) don't be surprised when you get shot, blown up, hanged, captured or what ever.


he should be happy he got handcuffed and not shot on sight. The only reason he isnt dead is they are doing what you want, making sure their ducks are in a row.

i have no sympathy for these people.

There's a lot of 'whatabout-ism' in this thread.

originally posted by: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin
a reply to: Aazadan

Something interesting I've noticed is that everything involving the military is now labeled as "trump". Yet when Obama was president it was always "US military did this...or US government did that...". It seems when a Republican is president all issues are labeled as being due to Trump, when Democrats in that changes.

I'm gonna say because Trump is the only one who (in my memory) regularly refers to US Generals as 'my generals.'

a reply to: links234

And how old are you?

It like having a favorite sports team;

If they win: We Won !!
If they loose: They lost !!

Really?

Wake up!

originally posted by: penroc3
it's not like this person just decided to vacation to Iraq and just happened to get on the CIA's radar for taking in the food culture of Iraq. Why go to a war zone?

Maybe he went there to rebuild the country?

If the government doesn't prove their charges, how can we ever know?

a reply to: Aazadan

lol, yeah maybe.


rebuilding is done through NGO's and other charity groups.

Individuals without allot of logistical support are just in the way and are of no use. and seeing as the headline wasn't multimillionaire missing and joins ISIS i think it's safe to say he is just some A hole who wanted to play soldier.

Aiding the enemy in ww2 would have got you shot. Sounds to me hes getting off easy. But this isnt the first time US citizens have been caught aiding the enemy.

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Any person who—
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to, or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

Or congress passed this "If any person or persons, owing allegiance to the United States of America, shall levy war against them, or shall adhere to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States, or elsewhere, and shall be thereof convicted on confession in open Court, or on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act of the treason whereof he or they shall stand indicted, such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH"

So two people saying he committed an act of treason hes dead. By the way that includes a military court so he seems to be getting off a easy no?

a reply to: Aazadan

In matters of national security or treason intent and a display of action is sufficient. Saying you are going to join isis is one thing. Making the trip to the middle east for that purpose is as damning as any evidence needs to be, at least to be held pending further investigation or trial. And if this is a military trial as opposed to a civilian, then yes it can be indefinite though for practical purposes it never is.

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With the shadow of Gitmo hanging over the U.S. public heads...mass detentions without trial is a reality that all of us should confront --- given the nature of the beast.

a reply to: dragonridr

That's witnesses to an overt act. You can't witness something that hasn't yet happened.

While I don't like the idea of people being held without trial...I do think that anyone going to join ISIS in any capacity needs to be killed as soon as possible. They are all inhuman scum.