Do you agree with Keith Olberman?

originally posted by: ZombieWoof

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic
a reply to: RazorV66

I have my opinions, you and others have yours. I am confident and secure enough in mine to not require that anybody agree with me; that is up to each individual.

Are you and others so insecure in yours that you just cannot stand that somebody might disagree? If that is the case, you and others might want to do some introspection.

We are indeed done.

Glad you're so confident and secure because I'm pretty sure nobody here agrees with you. Obama was the worst!

Plenty of people here think Obama was a good president. Open your eyes beyond your clique and you'll see it. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

Bush's daughter was sooo triggered when he said that, it was freaking hilarious!

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

I agree that he has accomplished little to nothing as regards actual legislation. That is not the only way a President can affect the country.

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic

1) Weakened our legal structure by his constant attacks on the Constitution.

He frequently attacks the free press, based on whether or not he likes the story. He has made statements such as saying a network should lose their broadcast license, because he did not like what they said. And don't even start (not that I think you will, bfft) with the whole fake news thing. He loves Fox News, which has for years been as fake as they come.

He has made statements along the lines that police should be rough with prisoners.
He has made statements that US citizens, who were born here, should be deported, or their opinions are necessarily flawed, because their heritage is not white European.
He has made other statements that are in conflict with the First Amendment, related to religion.

He's an asshole with an opinion. If that opinion isn't actually turning into unconstitutional action, then no biggie...he's still allowed an opinion. If it is turning into unconstitutional action, then it should be (and has been) challenged and stopped by the judiciary. Checks and balances is what keeps a single asshole with an opinion from actually damaging our country. The things you describe....have don't no damage to the US, and is not putting the US at risk. The system is working, as the judiciary is checking the executive with amusing frequency.

He has refused to divest himself of his financial investments that are making money from him as President.
He has supported various legislation that is obviously designed to further enrich the already rich.
He claimed that he was going to "drain the swamp" and has instead filled it with more billionaires, and he has put people in charge of government work that are fundamentally opposed to the job their departments are charged with.
He has put his family into multiple positions of government.

How many prior presidents became millionaires while president? Obama wasn't very wealthy 9 years ago, all in all. By the end of his first term he was a millionaire. I don't disagree that its wrong...but have to wonder why its such a big deal with Trump, who can show a net loss in personal wealth, when prior presidents could grow their wealth ridiculously?

RE: the rest of what you say...you are correct. He has put more assholes in charge of our government. Some are doing a decent job, and some (like Rick "Goodhair" Perry) are a laughable mess of mendacity. Its just more of the same, though...the same revolving door 1%ers moving between government and private sector. If it wasn't damaging our country the last 200 years its been happening, it isn't now.

One of the latest is Amy Coney Barrett, who appears to be a religious zealot. Jeff Sessions, while not a judge thank god, is in charge of the DOJ, and Sessions has proven repeatedly to be anti-freedom (except for the freedoms he likes).

Jeff Sessions is a real turd. Extra special saucy turd. I'd rather have seen just about anyone other than him in that role. It looks like we could soon be rid of him.

Every single last one of them is anti freedom, except the freedoms they like. The entire system has this codified within it. Last night I marveled as i watched LivePD and saw 3 cops spend an hour searching a car because someone admitted to having pot in it. It was the most amazingly ludicrous spectacle I have ever seen.

And I don't give a damn about opinions of rich assholes, either. I do care about countries being less enthusiastic about working with us on various items of international import.

With a strong US dollar and the might of the US military, there isn't a country that won't work with us that wouldn't otherwise do so. Its what history has proven to be true.

I agree...i don't care what wealthy people say. Except that their words turn into money if you pay attention...so there's that.

All of this is my opinion, of course, but I consider him to be the cause. Consider the Obama administration, which was subject to at least as many attacks as is Trump, but dealt with it without all the turmoil.

Admittedly, I dislike Obama greatly. More than Trump. That said, theres not much love for either. What I have noticed is that the entire system is fully behind bringing Trump down. Obama was harassed here and there by non-mainstream sources. Otherwise, the MSM gave him a free pass. Trump has everyone, the entire system, doubling down against him. Im not sure what you are watching as far as media goes, and am confused when trying to understand your stated viewpoint here, as the difference is so profound that it has me disliking media even more than Obama and Trump combined, and often makes me actually have to defend Trump in conversations.

His stated economic policy and tax plan, that he endorses will do nothing to create massive numbers of good (note: good) jobs in the US, and will instead act to further widen the gap between the "haves" and everybody else in the country. Trickle down, regardless of what anybody may think of it philosophically, has been a complete and miserable failure since it was implemented by Reagan. And ironically, I believe it could work, but it has not, except again for the already wealthy.

Words, not action. So he hasn't weakened anything. In fact, his words have likely strengthened the markets, which look favorably upon his words.

What a crowd of Sheeple, and Olberman plays them like a fiddle all the way to the bank.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
What a crowd of Sheeple, and Olberman plays them like a fiddle all the way to the bank.

M'eh. Plenty of that to go around on ALL sides. The only one that should be listened to is Carlin. He's still relevant 9 years after his death.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Thank you for your well-considered reply, it's a refreshing break from the rest of the chaff here.

After reading your post, I see that we disagree on some points and agree on others, imagine that.

Yeah, Trump is an asshole with an opinion, and he has the full right to express it. I don't have to look far to find people that consider me an asshole, and I reckon you could find some, too. But our (I'm assuming you are a normal citizen) opinions do not have much effect on national policy, where those stated by a President can. I do agree that SO FAR, he has been blocked for the most part on his most egregious attempts, thank goodness.

And I agree with you that most politicos these days are anti-freedom, except for the ones they like, and that includes Democrats. It is nonetheless a problem, even if everybody does it. Just one of the many indicators of ours being a culture in decline.

With a strong US dollar and the might of the US military, there isn't a country that won't work with us that wouldn't otherwise do so. Its what history has proven to be true.

There have been many empires in history for which this could also be said at one time or other. They have all disappeared. If we follow the same path of depending on military might as we have been, we will join them in the "Empires of the Past" category.

I do agree that again SO FAR, the damage Trump is doing is still mostly potential. My preference would be that he was doing things that had the potential of improving matters, instead of making them worse.

Maybe some day we can have a discussion on why, exactly, you dislike Obama. I've had that talk with others, and for the most part their reasons have been based on myth and propaganda. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Obama, but it is extremely rare that anybody actually states something that is real. They usually start spouting "Solyndra", or "Fast and Furious" or "He's a gay commie fascist Muslim Socialist from Kenya!" or some such nonsense. When Obama first came on the scene, I spent about a year very closely tracking down all the claims being made against him. The vast, huge majority of them were the most pure of BS.

Again, thank you for your reply.

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Until that day comes, my dislike of Obama can mostly be summed up with the 3 letters of ACA.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Until that day comes, my dislike of Obama can mostly be summed up with the 3 letters of ACA.

Thanks... at least that is something real. I personally like ACA, that's where I get my insurance since losing my job and it is the best insurance I've ever had, including the insurance I got at work, at a major global Aerospace company.

The ACA definitely needs some work, but it is not, in my opinion, the disaster many make it out to be, at least here.

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Probably because my rate tripled to pay for policies such as yours. 👍

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originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic
a reply to: japhrimu

Keith Olberman does tend to be a bit hyperbolic in his language, and yes, I agree with him that Trump has done more damage to the US than Bin Laden or ISIS or both.

Al Queda and ISIS neither one are existential threats to the US. In other words, the best they can do is kill some number of US citizens, but they cannot, by themselves, destroy the country.

Note that they CAN manufacture events wherein, with the lousy leadership we have had in this country since the turn of the century, with one exception, the US would go into convulsions and destroy ourselves, but neither Al Queda nor ISIS themselves directly can destroy this country.

Trump on the other hand has:

1) Weakened our legal structure by his constant attacks on the Constitution.
2) Made massive, flagrant political corruption main stream.
3) Appointed a large number of rabidly anti-freedom people as Federal judges.
4) Lowered the degree of trust our international allies have in us, and lowered our standing in the world in general.
5) Caused such turmoil during his time in the political arena that far too much attention is being paid to his shenanigans and not enough is being paid to areas that are actually important.
6) Further weakened the economy by continuing to push the miserable failure of trickle-down, or voodoo, economics. He shares responsibility for this with Congress.

All of these, while less dramatic in that people are not being killed in the streets, are far more dangerous to the US as a country than anything AQ or ISIS can do.

So yes, on this, I agree with Olberman.

There's not a lick of truth in your entire diatribe...

a reply to: japhrimu

Nope.

He may be a jackass. But that's about the extent of it. The oval office has seen more than its fair share of jackasses, and the Union still stands.

I would submit that he's done less damage to the nation than Keith Olberman...

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Trump on the other hand has: 1) Weakened our legal structure by his constant attacks on the Constitution. 2) Made massive, flagrant political corruption main stream. 3) Appointed a large number of rabidly anti-freedom people as Federal judges. 4) Lowered the degree of trust our international allies have in us, and lowered our standing in the world in general. 5) Caused such turmoil during his time in the political arena that far too much attention is being paid to his shenanigans and not enough is being paid to areas that are actually important. 6) Further weakened the economy by continuing to push the miserable failure of trickle-down, or voodoo, economics. He shares responsibility for this with Congress.

Your mind must have been elsewhere when you posted this. You accidentally got the Presidents mixed up
I know how that is
1) Dont post when you are suffering from sleep deprivation
2) Never post drunk or high
3) Keep focused
4) Proofread.
Get some rest and you will be Ok

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

What damage?,do you call restoring the US back to what it should be?,by getting rid of forced policy's that were never voted on,so your the type that wants the society destroyed,all because you want free handouts,why don't your type get a job,your like dead weight on the country,all he has done is restore order,and unveiling criminal activitys of your liberal party,your the problem that we are now facing,a deadbeat society

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

What planet are you on?

Items 2 and 6 are laughable. DC was already corrupt well before Trump so I guess your saying the corruption should have stayed quite for the greater good?

The economy is bad? Ah I guess record stock market, DGP over 3% in two consecutive quarters (obamanever hit 3% once), unemployment going down, and many other positives are bad. SMH

How has he challenged the constitution? Seriously he banned people from failed state countries and the lefts federal judges decide to rule it unconstitution yet the SCOTUS said no it wasn't.

Yes Trump has ruined America more than the terrorists ever could. He has enabled and made it acceptable in America for the worst people to rule the country. That is a change that can't be undone and will inevitably destroy us.

Not to mention he is going to annihilate the government and let corporations become so powerful that we will be enslaved, impoverished, and have no rights. ISIS couldn't even dream of doing that.

originally posted by: CB328
Yes Trump has ruined America more than the terrorists ever could. He has enabled and made it acceptable in America for the worst people to rule the country. That is a change that can't be undone and will inevitably destroy us.

Not to mention he is going to annihilate the government and let corporations become so powerful that we will be enslaved, impoverished, and have no rights. ISIS couldn't even dream of doing that.

This hadn't already happened???

Keith Olbermann is one of my heroes...with Paul Krugman topping the list.

My favorite heroine is NYT's journalist Maureen Dowd.

My longtime hero is Anthony Lewis --- RIP --- a public intellectual and journalist, twice winner of the Pulitzer Prize, and a longtime New York Times columnist. He is credited with creating legal journalism in the United States.