My Fellow Americans, Why Are We Such Suckers ?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You have far larger problems at home with homegrown terrorists, for some reason they get a pass though.

a reply to: seagull

Most Muslims who were living in the U.S. before the Obama era open door policy are not the problem. Allowing Muslim refugees into the country without properly vetting them is the real problem. Not to mention the fact that the left in general have been fighting to stop the "extension" that President Trump wanted to implement until a proper vetting system could be set in place.

Should we ignore what has been happening in Europe as more and more Muslim refugees have been allowed in European countries?... Should we ignore the violence, en mass sexual assaults/attacks, robberies etc being performed by Muslim refugees?...

Should we ignore the increase in terrorist attacks by Muslim refugees in Europe and the U.S.?...

The problem is not Muslim moderates who have been living in the U.S. for decades before Obama became President. The problem is the influx of Muslim refugees who are not being properly vetted, and the fact that our own intelligence agencies, and others, have stated that ISIS/Al Nushra have infiltrated radical Muslims with the Muslim refugees.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You have far larger problems at home with homegrown terrorists, for some reason they get a pass though.

They don't get a pass... And exactly what "homegrown terrorists" are you talking about? Are you talking about Paddock, who bought 33 long rifles when Trump and Hillary were the main candidates and this murderer decided to attack a concert that would be full of mostly conservatives?... Are you talking about the leader of the ""Unite the Right", who in fact is a left-wing plant?... Jason Kessler, a Leftwing infiltrated Provocateur and what his goals are.

REAL neo-nazis are a problem as well, but turning a blind eye to the fact that we are seeing more terrorist attacks, more sexual assaults, more robberies by the Muslim refugees is to ignore a big problem. Do we really want to turn into another European city with all the problems they are having with Muslim refugees?...

Throughout history, every dominant civilization eventually collapsed because it became TOO successful. What made it powerful and unique grows out of proportion and consumes its society
Comfort equals sales. We’ve been sold comfort for generations, and for generations we bought bigger houses, separated further and further out into the suburbs, along with bigger TV’s, more movies, and take-out.
The American public is becoming docile and complacent.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"Refugee" is a legal status, like "citizen". Countries that signed the 1951 Refugee Convention (HERE) aren't just legally obligated to accept refugees, they literally signed up to accept refugees. GCC countries to my knowledge never joined the 1951 Refugeee Convention.

HOWEVER, those countries do still accept refugees. They just call them "guests" and other terms. For instance, Saudi Arabia is a country with less than 30 million people. But they've accepted more than 500,000 Syrians. They just don't call them "refugees" and they have different criteria for how they accept them.

RG: Could you provide background information on why GCC countries do not accept the legal concept of refugeehood?

Humphrey: The reason why GCC countries are not signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention is because their very restrictive citizenship laws are defined by kinship which limit who can reside there and who will be the beneficiaries of their oil wealth. For example, to be eligible for citizenship you must be born (or be a descendant of people born) in the country before a certain date – Qatar (1930), UAE (1925), Saudi Arabia (1914). The provisions for acquiring citizenship are very limited and difficult. Palestinians have lived in GCC countries for generations as foreign workers, however very few have ever gained citizenship. The non-national population remain conditionally resident and therefore can be expelled if they transgress laws or are seen to cause problems.

RG: There has been a lot of criticism of the GCC for not taking in displaced Syrians since the crisis began. Is this assessment accurate?

Humphrey: The GCC countries have accepted Syrians from the conflict, however these have mainly been those connected to Syrians already working in the GCC. The GCC countries hold that they have welcomed ‘their Syrian brothers’ and provided them with access to health care and education. However, they are essentially guests as the category of refugee does not exist because the GCC countries are not signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention and therefore do not have any obligations to recognize refugee rights. As a consequence, it is very difficult to establish the number of Syrians in the GCC. Sources including the UNHCR and GCC states indicate there are around 100,000 in the UAE and 500,000 in Saudi Arabia, however the increase in Syrian residents has largely been the result of reunions of Syrian families who already hold work permits in the Gulf. The GCC states claim they take the highest per capita levels of Syrians, however those they accept are not those directly displaced by war in different parts of Syria

www.researchgate.net...

And other countries like Lebanon have hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees.

ETA: Also, I didn't say people here were bigots strictly for not wanting refugees to come here. I gave far more reasons than that lol. So why ignore the reasons I stated by bringing up something I didn't even mention?

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"Refugee" is a legal status, like "citizen". Countries that signed the 1951 Refugee Convention (HERE) aren't just legally obligated to accept refugees, they literally signed up to accept refugees. GCC countries to my knowledge never joined the 1951 Refugeee Convention.

HOWEVER, those countries do still accept refugees. They just call them "guests" and other terms. For instance, Saudi Arabia is a country with less than 30 million people. But they've accepted more than 500,000 Syrians. They just don't call them "refugees" and they have different criteria for how they accept them.
...

No, Arab Gulf Countries Are Not Taking in Refugees

By Chaker Khazaal
...
The focus of the criticisms has been on the Arab states of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) (Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and the UAE). The international community has questioned the GCC countries’ contribution to resolving the Syrian refugee crisis in countless social media posts and discussions.

According to a 2014 report entitled “Left Out In The Cold“ by human rights organization Amnesty International, the GCC had not officially resettled a single Syrian refugee since the crisis began in 2011.
...

www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Dude, you do realize "Camp of the Saints" is a work of fiction, right? A racist piece of garbage fiction, right? It's not a real thing, and it's not happening here in the USA by any stretch of the imagination.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So you didn't read my post at all, huh? They don't recognize the legal status "refugee" because they didn't sign onto that refugee convention. Instead, they bring them in as "guests". Being a "guest" and being a "refugee" come with completely different legal rights, which is why they don't accept them as "refugees".

Do you even know what the difference in a refugee and a guest worker is here? An immigrant right here in the US may not qualify as a "refugee", but may qualify as a guest worker (or vice versa). Either way, the immigrant would still be allowed into the country, just with different legal conditions.

In other words, you and your links are playing a game of semantics. Those countries do allow Syrians in who are fleeing from the war; they just don't give them the legal rights that come with internationally recognized "refugee" status.

You do realize "terrorist" related deaths in the US are about the lowest of anything....

Literally, M&M's probably kill more people per year.

Really though....want to lower any risk? Encourage immigration to your city, they might be more averse to attacking their own community and instead, go off and attack some other city.

Kidding...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

This would all be far simpler for you to understand if you stopped taking Trump at his word.

He's constantly twatting utter clap trap, you are far more likely to die from the hands of a cop or another American citizen than you are from a Muslim terrorist in the U. S.

As far as Europe goes they don't have anywhere near the violent crime and intolerance that exists in the U. S.

You had better get used to the reality that immigrants will continue to flood in to all western countries for the foreseeable future, you have a better chance of taking guns off Americans than you do stopping immigrants from coming to your country.

The problem is not Muslim moderates who have been living in the U.S. for decades before Obama became President. The problem is the influx of Muslim refugees who are not being properly vetted, and the fact that our own intelligence agencies, and others, have stated that ISIS/Al Nushra have infiltrated radical Muslims with the Muslim refugees.

Really? When has it been a problem?

It's a myth Trump sold to his followers. The attacks in the U.S. have been by U.S. citizens by and large. I don't know if this last guy was a citizen, but if not, he was the first.. and he was just a nutcase who came here in 2010. He wasn't recruited by a terrorist cell.

Many felt the ban Trump has been trying so hard to put into place will only increase recruitment against the United States.

I agree.. better vetting would not hurt. And I am not even against requiring some level of education or skill to be let into the U.S. - after all, many countries do this. But people are going off the deep end here, acting like we are knee-deep in terrorists. Stop buying into the Trump fantasies.

a reply to: whyamIhere

Stopping immigrants won't solve the problem-look at the mafia.

a reply to: fleabit


Not a myth, nor a fantasy. You are knee deep in terrorists, so maybe it would be best to confront the problem instead of spreading lies.

From the FBI, these are the terror-related criminal acts in October alone.

Brooklyn Resident Charged with Providing Material Support to ISIS Extradited to United States

November 1, 2017


Libyan National Charged with Federal Offenses in 2012 Attack on U.S. Special Mission and Annex in Benghazi

October 30, 2017


Brooklyn Man Sentenced to 15 Years in Prison for Conspiring to Provide Material Support to Terrorists

October 27, 2017


American Sentenced to 20 Years for Joining ISIS

October 27, 2017

Fifteen Individuals Charged in Multi-Million-Dollar International Money Laundering and Fraud Scheme

October 26, 2017


Honduran Citizen Charged with Attempting to Use an Explosive Device in Popular Miami Mall

October 24, 2017


Suburban Chicago Man Sentenced to 15 Years in Federal Prison for Attempting to Join Jabhat Al-Nusrah in Syria

October 19, 2017


Massachusetts Man Convicted of Supporting ISIS and Conspiring to Murder U.S. Citizens

October 18, 2017


Foreign National Sentenced to 31 Months in Prison for Leadership Role in Human Smuggling Conspiracy

October 17, 2017


Chelsea Bomber Ahmad Khan Rahimi Convicted in Manhattan Federal Court for Executing September 2016 Bombing in New York City

October 16, 2017


Gaming Center Owner Sentenced for Obstructing Justice in ISIS Case

October 13, 2017


Earlton Man Sentenced to Time Served on Firearm Charge

October 10, 2017


Acting Manhattan U.S. Attorney Announces the Court’s Unsealing of Charges Against Three Men Arrested for Participating in International Plot to Carry Out Terrorist Attacks in New York City for ISIS in the Summer of 2016

October 6, 2017


Miami-Dade County Residents Plead Guilty to Conspiracy to Illegally Export Prohibited Articles to Syria in Violation of U.S. Export Control Laws

October 4, 2017

FBI - Terrorism News

It's there to create fear.
That's the whole thing; to freak us out so that we will accept An outside enemy.
So they secretly create a problem and the reaction they want from us is that we do not use the brain that god equipped us with, but that we go emotional.

We go "Oh my god! Oh my god! Something needs to be done!" And then we turn towards the people that we have no idea are the ones that are actually behind the problem saying, "Please, help us, help us." And then they say, "Well the only way we can help you is" and in they roll with the solution.
And the solution every single time is something we would never, ever have accepted had it not been for "the problem".

They have the biggest propaganda machine the world has ever seen, pumping out into our houses especially through this black box that we have in front of us so many hours per day, where they're just pumping out this fear-mongering crap into our homes, totally making us feel powerless, taking away the power from us.

a reply to: madenusa

Selling poison with one hand while selling the cure with the other hand. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book (of maintaining power). Though for the record, they don't "take" power from us. People willingly give away that power & willingly sign up to fight their wars for them.

a reply to: enlightenedservantThe rich go to college...the poor go to war.

no, ill still eat them, this is like saying, you can die from smoking, so you would quit lol i still smoke regardless of all the warnings