Long-lost art of a vanished civilization found on uninhabited island in Caribbean

originally posted by: Steak
a reply to: intrptr

Wow - you need to go back to History Class if you believe that.

Which one?

That the spaniards destroyed entire civilizations, made slaves of the survivors and stole their stuff?

Or that didn't happen at this place?

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Steak
a reply to: intrptr

Wow - you need to go back to History Class if you believe that.

Which one?

That the spaniards destroyed entire civilizations, made slaves of the survivors and stole their stuff?

Or that didn't happen at this place?

I'm not wasting my time on you.

originally posted by: Steak

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Steak
a reply to: intrptr

Wow - you need to go back to History Class if you believe that.

Which one?

That the spaniards destroyed entire civilizations, made slaves of the survivors and stole their stuff?

Or that didn't happen at this place?

I'm not wasting my time on you.

Besides cave drawings on a wall, what could you possibly know about the people that made them?

You dwell in Plato's Cave.

a reply to: intrptr

If you want to blame the real culprit - the human species wiped out the neanderthals. That's when the problems started... You should complain to congress about that.

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Harte
Nice, but the title says "civilization" whereas the OP says "culture."

I'm not nit-picking here, but that's a large contradiction and I felt it necessary to say something, given the posters in this section that will jump at the title.

Harte

LOL

I BET,

that you don't get invited to parties Much , do you Harte ?

Ohh boy

Culture ( way of life ) and Civilization (* advancement of Man aka Tech )
both in the zone of Gathering



but for a Stance .

as usual too me Harte it blends together.

gotta have a culture before you can have a civilization
Right?

Although a Civilization can change , Alter, bend a Culture



better then the Architects of fear I guess ,

Yes, I agree with all of that.

However, a "lost civilization" is a FAR more important find than a "lost culture."
Especially when the culture was "lost" within the historical period.

Not to mention that people here base entire belief systems on ancient unknown civilizations, not ancient unknown cultures.


Harte

right..

Well ..

will in the same page similar cultures lead too similar civilizations even when they are

oceans apart

Especially in the Sun Worship Realm .


what seems too be the case in this great find that the OP
had Posted..

talk about a long lost civilization

Is Puma Punku aka in Tiwananaco

Amazing Site of technology
lost technology.

from a Supposed claim of Indigenous People
that only had a Written Language of Rope Knotting ..
and a similar culture as like the Mayans .

No lost technology needed to explain Pumapunku.
And it wasn't built by the Inca, if that's the rope knotting you're referring to.

Harte

a reply to: Steak

Neanderthals aren't extinct.

Look...

originally posted by: Harte


No lost technology needed to explain Pumapunku.
And it wasn't built by the Inca, if that's the rope knotting you're referring to.

Harte

Yeah that was what my comment also I ran out of time when I started to post. What was actually lost was expertise and artistic genius.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Harte
Nice, but the title says "civilization" whereas the OP says "culture."

I'm not nit-picking here, but that's a large contradiction and I felt it necessary to say something, given the posters in this section that will jump at the title.

Harte

LOL

I BET,

that you don't get invited to parties Much , do you Harte ?

Ohh boy

Culture ( way of life ) and Civilization (* advancement of Man aka Tech )
both in the zone of Gathering



but for a Stance .

as usual too me Harte it blends together.

gotta have a culture before you can have a civilization
Right?

Although a Civilization can change , Alter, bend a Culture



better then the Architects of fear I guess ,

Yes, I agree with all of that.

However, a "lost civilization" is a FAR more important find than a "lost culture."
Especially when the culture was "lost" within the historical period.

Not to mention that people here base entire belief systems on ancient unknown civilizations, not ancient unknown cultures.


Harte

right..

Well ..

will in the same page similar cultures lead too similar civilizations even when they are

oceans apart

Especially in the Sun Worship Realm .


what seems too be the case in this great find that the OP
had Posted..

talk about a long lost civilization

Is Puma Punku aka in Tiwananaco

Amazing Site of technology
lost technology.

from a Supposed claim of Indigenous People
that only had a Written Language of Rope Knotting ..
and a similar culture as like the Mayans .

No lost technology needed to explain Pumapunku.
And it wasn't built by the Inca, if that's the rope knotting you're referring to.

Harte

So who built them then ?

right that who I was referring too ..

as i said many times the similarities of the The Incans Mayans Stone Work have relations of
The places like in Indonesia , parts of India, all along up through the red sea too Egypt back tracking here..



bah , lol

So if it isnt the Inca as what you claimed who ?

some other indigenous People ?

as i said before ,

Those stones for the most part look as if it was Poured into a cast like concrete
yet it isnt concrete . yet it seems Prefabrication,

yet some of the stonework are claimed to be Quarried 90 kilometers away around 55 miles away..

but the mysterious remains ,

yet not far from Puma Punku

Tiahuanaco has a court yard of many different looking faces
yet even that was a rebuild back in the late 19th century too the earliest 20th century

so who the hell Knows ,

It just may have been a Trading Hub ?
just like Egypt had been once upon a time
not far from Lake Titicaca , from the site claims of
Tiahuanaco had been a port at one time.
yet its a big stretch from Lake Titicaca
let alone way above sea level ,


just as the Pyramid of the Sun looks as if it was a market place at one time




Puma Punku predates the Incas as some say,

as Hanslume Said

Expertise and Artistic genius is Lost

yet there is no Pre advancement of progress , ( the stages ) at the site
well. that i can see on the Net that is , and that tells me it was built by someone
that is not originally from there , and settled , migrated ..

you see the Stages of progress in advancement's of stone work in Egypt , Iraq Iran ( Sumerian Babylonian Persian )
there evidence in that , but i haven't seen that in Bolivia /Peru /, Central America , Mexico,
So far, as there should be , but im limited as most members of ATS not physically being there.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Steak

Neanderthals aren't extinct.

Look...

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

a reply to: athousandlives

The paintings themselves look, well, strange! Not sure what about them; the angles, the shapes, or what, but they seem odd to me in some way, not like mot cave paintings I have seen.

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Harte
Nice, but the title says "civilization" whereas the OP says "culture."

I'm not nit-picking here, but that's a large contradiction and I felt it necessary to say something, given the posters in this section that will jump at the title.

Harte

LOL

I BET,

that you don't get invited to parties Much , do you Harte ?

Ohh boy

Culture ( way of life ) and Civilization (* advancement of Man aka Tech )
both in the zone of Gathering



but for a Stance .

as usual too me Harte it blends together.

gotta have a culture before you can have a civilization
Right?

Although a Civilization can change , Alter, bend a Culture



better then the Architects of fear I guess ,

Yes, I agree with all of that.

However, a "lost civilization" is a FAR more important find than a "lost culture."
Especially when the culture was "lost" within the historical period.

Not to mention that people here base entire belief systems on ancient unknown civilizations, not ancient unknown cultures.


Harte

right..

Well ..

will in the same page similar cultures lead too similar civilizations even when they are

oceans apart

Especially in the Sun Worship Realm .


what seems too be the case in this great find that the OP
had Posted..

talk about a long lost civilization

Is Puma Punku aka in Tiwananaco

Amazing Site of technology
lost technology.

from a Supposed claim of Indigenous People
that only had a Written Language of Rope Knotting ..
and a similar culture as like the Mayans .

No lost technology needed to explain Pumapunku.
And it wasn't built by the Inca, if that's the rope knotting you're referring to.

Harte

So who built them then ?

Archaeologists call them the Tiwanaku culture. Not very imaginative I say.

originally posted by: Wolfenzright that who I was referring too ..

as i said many times the similarities of the The Incans Mayans Stone Work have relations of
The places like in Indonesia , parts of India, all along up through the red sea too Egypt back tracking here..

Maybe you think I'm being picky here, but it would seem to me that, if you are trying to compare Inca stonework to others around the world, you maybe should include a pic of some Inca stonework.

originally posted by: WolfenzThose stones for the most part look as if it was Poured into a cast like concrete
yet it isnt concrete . yet it seems Prefabrication,

yet some of the stonework are claimed to be Quarried 90 kilometers away around 55 miles away..

but the mysterious remains ,

Here you are claiming that geologists are unable to identify stone.
You sure you want to go with that idea?

originally posted by: Wolfenzyet not far from Puma Punku

Tiahuanaco has a court yard of many different looking faces
yet even that was a rebuild back in the late 19th century too the earliest 20th century

so who the hell Knows ,

It just may have been a Trading Hub ?

"Not far?" Pumapunku is part of the Tiwanaku complex. Part of it - not away from it.

Tiwanaku is a huge site, especially if you include the expansive agricultural areas surrounding it - which were certainly considered to be part of the complex back then when people lived there.

originally posted by: Wolfenzjust like Egypt had been once upon a time
not far from Lake Titicaca , from the site claims of
Tiahuanaco had been a port at one time.
yet its a big stretch from Lake Titicaca
let alone way above sea level ,

Tiwanaku was never a port. Lake Titicaca can never reach the site because there is an outlet well below the elevation of Tiwanaku that the lake would spill out of.

So now we have geologists that can't identify rocks, and water that doesn't flow downhill.
You're on a roll.

originally posted by: Wolfenz
Puma Punku predates the Incas as some say,

as Hanslume Said

Expertise and Artistic genius is Lost

yet there is no Pre advancement of progress , ( the stages ) at the site
well. that i can see on the Net that is , and that tells me it was built by someone
that is not originally from there , and settled , migrated ..

What do you know about tribes in the area that predate Tiwanaku?
Are you assuming that people ALWAYS lived at Tiwanaku?
Do you know the conclusively identified stages of construction there?
Apparently you don't, because the handful of stones that has you all agog was some of the very last bit of construction that occurred at the site before climate change caused it to be abandoned.

originally posted by: Wolfenz you see the Stages of progress in advancement's of stone work in Egypt , Iraq Iran ( Sumerian Babylonian Persian )
there evidence in that , but i haven't seen that in Bolivia /Peru /, Central America , Mexico,
So far, as there should be , but im limited as most members of ATS not physically being there.

Stonework construction at Tiwanaku isn't all that impressive. It's the decorative carving that is impressive. The whole area was occupied by rival cultures before the Tiwanaku culture gained supremacy.

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Here's an interesting pdf about the possibility that the Inca adopted some stone working methods from earlier cultures:
Who Taught the Inca Stonemasons Their Skills?"
The author is Jean-Pierre Protzen, the acknowledged top expert on the region.

Harte