Las Vegas Shooting Sounds Possibly LP Gas Gunfire Simulators

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Asktheanimals

I appreciate your perseverance towards a conspiracy, but as a Las Vegas resident and someone who actually knows a few people that were at the concert, you are insulting those that died or were injured by continuing to spew nonsense based theories.

This guy shot all of those people. There weren't second and third shooters. He wasn't a patsy.

Having real victims doesn't preclude the use of sound effects. Simulating multiple gunmen would add an element of panic and make it harder to find the real gunman. Distract and confuse. The people who say that asking questions is somehow insulting victims are helping to cover up a terrible crime.

Very happy for your blind faith in an unbelievable story (that keeps changing), I'm sure the criminals in charge thank you as well.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Asktheanimals

I appreciate your perseverance towards a conspiracy, but as a Las Vegas resident and someone who actually knows a few people that were at the concert, you are insulting those that died or were injured by continuing to spew nonsense based theories.

This guy shot all of those people. There weren't second and third shooters. He wasn't a patsy.

Too many weird things to ignore. Unless your friends were in that room as it happened, no one knows, or likely will EVER know the real truth about what happened for sure. I do not believe that wanting the truth to come out is an insult to those who died - on the contrary I feel it is our duty to look out for each other in the effort to stop this from happening again.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

How about getting a sound sample of both and using an audio analyzer to line up the pitch levels on a graph and present it.

Do some research on the generator and see the db levels it emits and join up the data.

Would that not be a better presentation to do? Many open-source free software to do it with, and it would add more weight to your theory.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

That area of Las Vegas is built up with lots of concrete and tall, hard buildings. They reflect and echo sound in complex ways, and you will not always hear the initial first-path sound directly from the gun.

Think of it this way: close up, lighting sounds like a single quick shot (which is what the physics is), but further away, the sound is more rolling and complex, because of long propagation and reflection.

I'm curious about the helicopter claims that show muzzle flashes BELOW the Nav lights

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: Asktheanimals

That area of Las Vegas is built up with lots of concrete and tall, hard buildings. They reflect and echo sound in complex ways, and you will not always hear the initial first-path sound directly from the gun.

Think of it this way: close up, lighting sounds like a single quick shot (which is what the physics is), but further away, the sound is more rolling and complex, because of long propagation and reflection.

Not to discount your analogue, but that's completely Apple's and Oranges.

Lightning is a atmospheric event and these gunshots were ground level in comparison.

Las Vegas isn't downtown Manhattan although there are vertical, reflective structures about....here and there.

The inconsistencies are the amount of shots fired vs. the amount of shots echoed. That and the series of shots that have no echo at all. Meaning close and far shots being fired intermittently.

Plenty of videos and sound analysis out there now at this point to plausibly substantiate more than one shooter.

If you care not to puruse the research others are doing and submitting, that's your prerogative.

However, you're on the wrong site to be so closed minded.

Or, posts such as these would be immediately dumped in the HOAX bin, but they are not. Why?

Because it is antithetical to what this site stands for and operates by....and the reason why we have such great researchers and analysts.

Until it's ALL considered a HOAX and put in that forum, you're going to either have ti deal with this topic, or ignore it.

It's really that simple.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
I'm curious about the helicopter claims that show muzzle flashes BELOW the Nav lights

Saw that video as well. Muzzle flashes below and on either side of the navigation strobe indicating either door guns, or single shooters on both sides.

Might account for shots being taken on at other casinos during the initial volleys to cause confusion and panic for the other "team" to escape..

Hard to say..but it does look like what it is as far as the helicopters..

a reply to: EternalShadow

Would it not be a good idea to list these research videos and analyzes so we could research them and build on to them, I assume they are audio and video files with an detailed explanation attached to them.

It would be great to review them.

How is this the wrong site if another person has a different idea of an event to your own, that would not be close minded, that would be considering other options then your own and not just following the herd.

Don't say "Just go and search for them, lots of them out there", there are many 10s of thousands of Vegas threads on various forums, and many more on youtube.

a reply to: EternalShadow
Not an extended burst either,a nice 3 round pull ,like one uses with .308 MGs, so the barrel won't rise off.


SORRY KITTY!
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Supposed helicopter shooting video...

a reply to: cavtrooper7

How'd you know my Cats name!?

See that's what I'm asking for when people say there is this stuff out there, they have to list it along with what they claim.

I'm neutral on neither side of any argument.

I'm just trying to suggest to bring everything together so there is a better picture to see, and suggesting various things to try to better the available data.

Bring it all together, and while you may still have a puzzle, at least you have more pieces you can try to put together.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Regarding point #1, that's not unexpected at all for a shooter using a bumpfire stock. The way those work requires some fine-tuning to the shooter's positioning and finger movements and the like. You need a certain level of push-pull tension to make them work right, so the stuttering bursts were probably Paddock adjusting to the stock.

#2 is...look, it's a cellphone video from inside a car with the windows up that was some distance from the shooter. Acoustics from that are going to be ugly. I think you're so desperately searching for a multiple shooter/false flag here that you're letting the desire for a conspiracy override logic.

originally posted by: MuonToGluon
a reply to: EternalShadow

Would it not be a good idea to list these research videos and analyzes so we could research them and build on to them, I assume they are audio and video files with an detailed explanation attached to them.

It would be great to review them.

How is this the wrong site if another person has a different idea of an event to your own, that would not be close minded, that would be considering other options then your own and not just following the herd.

Don't say "Just go and search for them, lots of them out there", there are many 10s of thousands of Vegas threads on various forums, and many more on youtube.

There already have been links provided in hundreds of threads just on this site alone!!

You want me to list the links to back up my points, when you obviously weren't interested in alternative views in the first place!!??

Um, no.

You're a big girl or boy, at this point you're obviously aware of the many research videos and analysis that is out there..GO LOOK.

At this point it is overly redundant for me to "introduce" you to a subject you had no stake in,( in the first place,) just to justify my opinion in this thread. I'm not that guy.

I was skeptical too...but the genie is out of the bottle and is catching a tan in Fiji!!

Decide for yourself. You are making it seem like it's my responsibility for YOU to be well informed.

SPOILER ALERT!!: ...............it's not.

a reply to: EternalShadow

I didn't ask you back up anything you said, you're making assumptions to the words I said.

Look at my post 1 post up from your own, you will see what I'm asking for.

As I said, there are thousands on threads about Vegas, and going through each one to find one little bit is tedious, especially when they're not all on the 1st page, and there are MANY pages per thread.

Please read my last post here, my words do no need assumptions to go with them, the words mean exactly as written.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Your theory that such a machine can be constructed and will work as you describe is acceptable.

However, the likelyhood its exitance and use at the Mandaly Inn or anywhere else in the vacinity of it or the concert and the other casions and hotels that had people on lock down, is extremely unlikely.

Would you mind offering an explanation of its purpose and role at the events that took place in Las Vegas for us because to introduce its existance, infers you beleive it actually played a role in the events so please explain its role?

thank you

I’m not trying to be rude at all but all thie theories with additional supporting videos of those theories (even if “unproven”) are already here in other threads. There are about 10 of them. However, most who post any also put them in the big thread that is now about 300 pages long. a reply to: MuonToGluon

Update: nevermind - just saw your reply to someone else who said the same thing. But it’s redundant and even silly to post everything again here when it already exists on ATS already...

a reply to: nicevillegrl

I know.

I just meant threads about Vegas, there are many, and in a lot of them Users post videos and claims several pages in making it very hard to find what people are referencing.

Ah well, not post it here, maybe a link to the thread that the stuff is in.

a reply to: MuonToGluon

Read the main thread!

It is all in their. Take you a while but worth the effort if you are looking for the truth.

You don't often get spoon fed do you?

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Evidence? Proof? Once again, like with other incidents UFO's Paranormal et al no amount of "evidence" will be acceptable to some. No-one here has access to proof or evidence. We can only study what we discover, anomalies and errors. There are many people on this site that have spent a GREAT deal of time and effort trying to unravel what could have happened, which is the point of this site, for thinking outside the box, discussing and debating. There have been many posts with silly theories that have been shot down, many theories that have made people go hmmm and many many inconsistencies that require further investigation. That is one of the main purposes of this site to make people think and research for themselves which many have done in great depth without resorting to wild fantastic claims. Theories are put forward and are discussed and dissected and to date this has been done in a very intelligent polite manner.

I get pretty fed up with people saying its insulting the dead, I'm sorry for the dead it was a simply horrible unexpected way to leave this earth, but alas they are dead and are not capable of being insulted. The survivors aren't being insulted either unless they read this site and wish to take offence, as many of the survivors are ALSO looking for the truth as they don't accept what they have seen and heard. I think it more insulting to the witnesses to accuse them of lying or being mistaken or not knowledgable enough to be able to know the difference between one gun and 2 guns or more. They are being ridiculed they are being ignored and many of them feel very let down by the Authorities.

originally posted by: MuonToGluon
a reply to: Asktheanimals

How about getting a sound sample of both and using an audio analyzer to line up the pitch levels on a graph and present it.

Do some research on the generator and see the db levels it emits and join up the data.

Would that not be a better presentation to do? Many open-source free software to do it with, and it would add more weight to your theory.

I took your suggestion up, thank you! I DL'ed an audio program and clip grabber. While I can now see the variations both in timing between shots and the level of volume fading especially on that last few shots I will still have to learn how to create a video to present the findings. It's a start and I owe you my gratitude for sending me on the productive path. Thanks!

ETA: Having downloaded the taxi driver audio I have found that the "machine gun" fire is at 600 RPM or 10 shots every second. There are variations of more than 10% at the end of the burst where the space between shots increases. This is also matched by a fall in volume, neither of which will happen with real weapons. There are also sounds of a second gun going off at least twice the speed (1,200 rounds per minute)

Now, to make this in to a video (something I've never done before, yikes! ) May take a few days. I also plan to find clips of the various weapons supposedly used by Paddock and analyze the audio of those for comparison purposes. Sufficient deviation in shot timing, relative loudness and frequency range would indicate use of simulators or of pre-recorded sounds played through speakers. I think I finally got sick enough of watching videos where I keep wishing they would do certain things yet never do (like replay a clip over and over to hear a "hidden" sound when you can isolate it and raise the volume instead - duh.).

It's the missing evidence that counts the most.

There's several videos with audible gunshots and views of the 32nd floor area at the same time.

Yet no flashes from the "broken" window areas.

But we do see 40-watt lightbulbs shining through the gold leaf glass in other rooms.

And we still have no official videos from MGM security cameras at the concert.

I bet they have some shooters on tape.