Stop Defending Trumps treatment of Women.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Sexual harassment isn't a crime.

Sexual assault is a crime, but has very specific definition - one you're not allowed to twist and bend because you don't like someone and want to levy even more baseless lies against them.

The women who accused Trump have no evidence. I agree with the White House's point of view: those women are liars.

a reply to: Dfairlite

Actually what he was talking about was a joke.

No it wasn't, and sexual assault isn't a joke.

He gave a detailed account of "trying to f# Nancy O'Dell, another Access Hollywood hostess, and he "moved on her like a bitch". Probably a lot like this:

Summer Zervos, (/) alleged that in 2007, across several meetings about potential job opportunities, Donald Trump kissed Zervos and later groped her. Zervos alleged that at one meeting, Trump had her brought to his bungalow at a Beverly Hills hotel, where he immediately began kissing her, put a hand on her breast and “thrust his genitals” at her while she pushed him away several times and made clear that she didn’t want to take part in such activity.

Or, like this:

Natasha Stoynoff alleging that in December 2005, Trump had pushed her against a wall and began kissing her while she was on a reporting assignment at Mar-a-Lago. “I was stunned,” she wrote. “And I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself.”

The Tic Tacs were no joke. He said, he needed them just in case he starts kissing them, he doesn't even wait. And when he said he could "grab 'em by the pu$$y, he probably was thinking something like this:

Kristin Anderson, who alleged that in the early ’90s, Donald Trump—who Anderson said had not introduced himself—slid his hand up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear at a Manhattan nightclub.

www.motherjones.com...

Sexual assault is no joke!

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Sexual harassment isn't a crime.

Uh, yeah it is:

Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.[1] In most modern legal contexts, sexual harassment is illegal. As defined by the United States' Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person's sex." Harassment can include "sexual harassment" or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature. The legal definition of sexual harassment varies by jurisdiction. Sexual harassment is subject to a directive in the European Union.[2]

Although laws surrounding sexual harassment exist, they generally do not prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or minor isolated incidents—that is, they do not impose a "general civility code".[3] In the workplace, harassment may be considered illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted, or the victim quitting the job). The legal and social understanding of sexual harassment, however, varies by culture.

In the context of US employment, the harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer, and harassers or victims can be of any gender.[4]

It includes a range of actions from mild transgressions to sexual abuse or sexual assault.[5] Sexual harassment is a form of illegal employment discrimination in many countries, and is a form of abuse (sexual and psychological) and bullying. For many businesses or organizations, preventing sexual harassment, and defending employees from sexual harassment charges, have become key goals of legal decision-making.

en.wikipedia.org...

Nice to seeing someone admit that what Trump does is illegal though.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Sexual harassment isn't a crime.

Uh, yeah it is:

Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.[1] In most modern legal contexts, sexual harassment is illegal. As defined by the United States' Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person's sex." Harassment can include "sexual harassment" or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature. The legal definition of sexual harassment varies by jurisdiction. Sexual harassment is subject to a directive in the European Union.[2]

Although laws surrounding sexual harassment exist, they generally do not prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or minor isolated incidents—that is, they do not impose a "general civility code".[3] In the workplace, harassment may be considered illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted, or the victim quitting the job). The legal and social understanding of sexual harassment, however, varies by culture.

In the context of US employment, the harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer, and harassers or victims can be of any gender.[4]

It includes a range of actions from mild transgressions to sexual abuse or sexual assault.[5] Sexual harassment is a form of illegal employment discrimination in many countries, and is a form of abuse (sexual and psychological) and bullying. For many businesses or organizations, preventing sexual harassment, and defending employees from sexual harassment charges, have become key goals of legal decision-making.

en.wikipedia.org...

Nice to seeing someone admit that what Trump does is illegal though.

sexual harassment in the workplace*

outside of it its just harassment and can also get u in trouble

a reply to: windword

So you think he was actually going to start kissing the publicist they were about to meet with? Interesting.

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Sexual harassment isn't a crime.

Uh, yeah it is:

Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.[1] In most modern legal contexts, sexual harassment is illegal. As defined by the United States' Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person's sex." Harassment can include "sexual harassment" or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature. The legal definition of sexual harassment varies by jurisdiction. Sexual harassment is subject to a directive in the European Union.[2]

Although laws surrounding sexual harassment exist, they generally do not prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or minor isolated incidents—that is, they do not impose a "general civility code".[3] In the workplace, harassment may be considered illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted, or the victim quitting the job). The legal and social understanding of sexual harassment, however, varies by culture.

In the context of US employment, the harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer, and harassers or victims can be of any gender.[4]

It includes a range of actions from mild transgressions to sexual abuse or sexual assault.[5] Sexual harassment is a form of illegal employment discrimination in many countries, and is a form of abuse (sexual and psychological) and bullying. For many businesses or organizations, preventing sexual harassment, and defending employees from sexual harassment charges, have become key goals of legal decision-making.

en.wikipedia.org...

Nice to seeing someone admit that what Trump does is illegal though.

sexual harassment in the workplace*

outside of it its just harassment and can also get u in trouble

Well as some of these allegations come from pageants, which he sponsors, he's done both...allegedly.

Just watching a few seconds and I already know what that is about. I would say that when people are under the impression that what they are saying is private you would be surprised at what they say. To add to that, how many (so calledperceived) upstanding citizens turn out to be actual criminals.

Maybe i will watch the rest but really not interested much. Trump is from a different generation and really all the newer generations are just better at hiding and even the "reporter" in the video is a sneak.

a reply to: intrepid

yup just wanted to clarify the previous post so people understand what circumstances when its illegal. in public or at the workplace though there are plenty of laws protecting us. im not sure how i feel about these incidents personally. they arent a one sided thing with males versus females. ive been harassed by women many times in my life at the workplace or in public. being a man i cant understand the difference though since i can physically take care of myself. so as a man ive experienced a ton of the same type of harassment but its really not an issue, in many cases i take it as a compliment and the one time it happened with a superior at work i scared the living hell out of her with a lawsuit. i cant imagine what its like knowing your physically helpless

Just a small question before we light the torches and grab the pitchforks, what ever happened to all the women that were accusing Herman Cain before he dropped out? He quit and nothing more was said...

originally posted by: Ahabstar
Just a small question before we light the torches and grab the pitchforks, what ever happened to all the women that were accusing Herman Cain before he dropped out? He quit and nothing more was said...

Well let's not go the other route and just dismiss everything out of hand too, ok?

Well then by that logic this will go away when Trump quits. What are the odds on that?

a reply to: intrepid

" Well let's not go the other route and just dismiss everything out of hand too, ok? "


You are Bordering on Pure Fantasy here . Something Is, or it Isn't According to FACTS .


What are the " FACTS " Again >?

a reply to: intrepid


Never admitted any such, so you can go ahead and stop putting words in my mouth now.

Thanks for posting the law, though. As I said, sexual harassment isn't a criminal offense. Thanks for demonstrating my point for me. Thanks for also admitting I was totally correct in my point, and that you're extremely ill informed regarding the issues. You said that, didn't you? Of course you did.

You also said Trump is the greatest POTUS we've ever seen. Edits won't save you

a reply to: Zanti Misfit


The facts are that a bunch of arrogant leftists (including all those lying women who accused him) got together and coordinated a giant lie to politically assassinate the POTUS.

The condescending and arrogant leftists in this thread are simply jealous because the American people basically said they didn't give two sh*ts about some crazy, hysterical, unoriginal liars.

Lefties lose a lot of sleep over this fact, actually. That we still elected Trump despite a bunch of unproven allegations of something that doesn't even constitute a crime hit them at the core of their existence.

Funny really.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: intrepid


Never admitted any such, so you can go ahead and stop putting words in my mouth now.

Thanks for posting the law, though. As I said, sexual harassment isn't a criminal offense. Thanks for demonstrating my point for me. Thanks for also admitting I was totally correct in my point, and that you're extremely ill informed regarding the issues. You said that, didn't you? Of course you did.

You also said Trump is the greatest POTUS we've ever seen. Edits won't save you

No edits there Sparky. Keep living in Fantasyland.

a reply to: intrepid


Nope. If you review your unedited thread you'll clearly see what I'm saying is 100% true.

You clearly said Trump was the greatest choice America has ever made, and then admitted you were entirely wrong about sexual harassment being a crime. I saw it.

Pretty annoying when someone puts words in your mouth, huh?

So you're saying I'm wrong? Sexual harassment is a crime? Tell me, Mr. lawyer, what are the penalties for an individual (not an employer) committing this "crime"? Jail time? Fines? Community service?

None? None because non-crimes aren't punished in the criminal justice system. That is a section of civil law, not criminal law. I know you're Canadian and all, but if you're going to make accusations you might want to learn a tad more about United States law. It is the epitome of ignorance to apply the law of one nation in another.

originally posted by: JBurns
Pretty annoying when someone puts words in your mouth, huh?

Not when the source is an ignorant tool. Then it's comical.

a reply to: intrepid


Riiiight, another arrogant leftist from Canada. Big surprise there. You're a tool for elitist liberal billionaires, who use you to further their own causes and power. So original!

The fact that you had to immediately jump to personal insults proves my point. Your leftist masters have only given you so many talking points, and none of those stand up very well to critical thinking or questioning. That is why, after all, extremist leftists need their daily echo chamber visits (DU, among many others).

What you said was blatantly disproven. You attempted to deflect from my points by first putting words in my mouth. Once that failed, you resorted to logical fallacies including ad hom attacks.

Nice. Interesting too. Very interesting.

a reply to: JBurns

Yes , Quite Humorous Captain.........

a reply to: JBurns

You just described Trumpeteers to a tee. Well done. I'll sleep well tonight.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I have seen a lot of threads and posts recently (i wont name names) of members surreptitiously (almost as if they know it is wrong) defending sexual abuse, asking about the personal responsibility of women, focusing on instances of false accusation or posing ethical questions about when rape becomes rape and so on.

I find all of this quite repulsive and I really do think that if you are a individual who has became so blinded by politics that you are finding yourself justifying or making excuses of sexual abuse for political reasons then you really need to star asking yourself if eroding your own morally to such a extreme is really worth it.

Is Trump really worth lowing your own moral standards?

I agree that defending sexual assault is repulsive but...

Why do you think asking about the personal responsibility of women is repulsive?
Why do you think looking at false accusations is repulsive?
Why do you think posing ethical questions about rape is repulsive?

Do you not see that you are as equally incapable of looking at this honestly as the Trump supporters?

The idea that Trump is a rapist is as crazy as the idea that Trump is some moral crusader. Both are fanatical opinions which are so closed off to reality that they find the very idea of questioning their opinions repulsive.