Breaking: First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation

originally posted by: Gryphon66


The investigation into Podesta and his firm grew out of investigators’ examination of Manafort’s finances. Manafort organized a PR campaign on behalf of a nonprofit called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine. Podesta Group was one of several firms that were paid to do work on the PR campaign to promote Ukraine in the U.S.

Podesta Group filed paperwork with the Justice Department in April stating that it had done work for the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine that also benefited the same Ukrainian political party that Manafort once advised. Podesta Group said at the time it believed its client was a European think tank untethered to a political party.

Except that the very Mueller investigation that you have been cheering and sayng we had to listen to, says this is a lie.

November 2012, GATES wrote to Company A and Company that the terms needed to prepare
an assessment of their past and prospective lobbying efforts so the President could be briefed by
Paul on what Ukraine has done well and what it can do better as we move into 2013

www.cnn.com...

They knew their work was going directly to Yanukovych.

So now surely you admit to the crimes committed by the Podesta group?

a reply to: Grambler

But they didnt even get the dirt, so again where is the crime?

It doesn't matter whether you actually stuffed the money in your pockets, it's the fact you were caught in the bank vault at night that matters.

a reply to: Grambler

At the time, I believe Yanukovytch was the legally elected president of Ukraine. So long as they reported the money, no crime was committed.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Grambler

But they didnt even get the dirt, so again where is the crime?

It doesn't matter whether you actually stuffed the money in your pockets, it's the fact you were caught in the bank vault at night that matters.

Right, and the dmeocrats were caight in the vault and then with the money. And the they spent that money.

Your excuse is just that it wasnt the dems in the vault, it was someone they paid to steal the money.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Grambler

At the time, I believe Yanukovytch was the legally elected president of Ukraine. So long as they reported the money, no crime was committed.

What are you talking about.

Manafort was just indicted in part because he was peddling influence for Yanukovytch without properly registering.

The podesta group admits they were doing the same and didnt file, but their excuse was they didnt think they were working for Yanukovytch.

The indictment says that is a lie, they were told by gates he was giving info directly to President Yanukovytch.

This is the same crime manafort committed, cut and dry.

a reply to: Grambler

Yeah... if they (dems or repubs) had damaging info
*both feeding from Russian 'dealers'*
It seems that the most availing response came from the RNC
'We got # on killary yeahhh'

From the DNC, nada ?

So yeah,
i'd like to know if someone also tried to peddle stuff to the DNC
and what did they and the DNC do about it
Did they go to the FBI ?

Who chose the most 'righteous path'
in the whole thing ?

Whilst the RNC did seem pretty proactive in their approach
Gimme the rope'a'dope on Clinton

Irrespective of partisan politics
Did anyone say, y'know, my guys are being 'approached'
I don't think so....

Both camps were feeding off of the same teat

One camp (so far) has been hooked
like it or not
There it is

a reply to: Damiel

I agree both teams were seeking damaging info on the other.

I just dont think its a crime in either since.

Now not reporting it to the FEC if you paid for it, offering favors to russia in exchange for that info, or the Obama admin using that info for fisa warrants, all of that is potentially crimes.

The Manafort Indictment: Not Much There, and a Boon for Trump

Looks like the charges might not be a slam dunk for conviction. Mueller once again abuses his position.

a reply to: Grambler

I agree both teams were seeking damaging info on the other. I just dont think its a crime in either since. Now not reporting it to the FEC if you paid for it, offering favors to russia in exchange for that info, or the Obama admin using that info for fisa warrants, all of that is potentially crimes.

There's no argument to be had, from whicherver standpoint you have here
a non crime, unless the - potential - collusion is considered
when taken in context of the whole story ..

Another thought, let's imagine that the FSB is aware of Manafort's illegal dealings
Manafort (at that time) was a head honcho on Team Trump,
He's wide open to levearge

Thihnnk about it ...

This however :

or the Obama admin using that info for fisa warrants

Nooooooo !
It's not the Obama admin per se, it''s the US security apparatus in full swing
ever since the patriot act and it's continuation

Obama just let it slide into continuum :p

a reply to: Grambler

It doesn't matter whether you actually stuffed the money in your pockets, it's the fact you were caught in the bank vault at night that matters.
...
Right, and the dmeocrats were caight in the vault and then with the money. And the they spent that money.

Repubs and their minions are being caught with the their hands in the till
And probably obfuscating, forgetting ... not remembering things

Where are those saying that The podesta group didnt commit a crime?

Honestly, do you now see that the Muller investigation has documents proving this?

Are you now ready to admit that this is a serious crime?

originally posted by: Damiel
a reply to: Grambler

It doesn't matter whether you actually stuffed the money in your pockets, it's the fact you were caught in the bank vault at night that matters.
...
Right, and the dmeocrats were caight in the vault and then with the money. And the they spent that money.

Repubs and their minions are being caught with the their hands in the till
And probably obfuscating, forgetting ... not remembering things

Of course! Thats the point.

People are corrupt all through the system; all of them need to be flushed out.

a reply to: Grambler
The Podesta 'thing' isn't a 'thing'
as yet

How about this :

"Where are those saying that Trump Junior didnt commit a crime?
Honestly, do you now see that the Muller investigation has documents proving this?
Are you now ready to admit that this is a serious crime? "

Trump Jr ?
His "non" involvement in dirt digging on Clinton ?
Seems like there's at least a tenuous link towards Papadopoulos' proclamations

a reply to: Grambler
Corrupt; probably
inept, certainly so
unfit to govern :absolutely

originally posted by: Damiel
a reply to: Grambler
The Podesta 'thing' isn't a 'thing'
as yet

How about this :

"Where are those saying that Trump Junior didnt commit a crime?
Honestly, do you now see that the Muller investigation has documents proving this?
Are you now ready to admit that this is a serious crime? "

Trump Jr ?
His "non" involvement in dirt digging on Clinton ?
Seems like there's at least a tenuous link towards Papadopoulos' proclamations

Show me any where in the Indictments that shows any crime comitted by Trump jr.

Show me in any of the indictments anyone charged with any sort of collusion.

We have failing to register properly, money laundering, lying, ectc.

It is never remotely claimed anywhere that trying to get dirt form russians is a crime.

It is said that lobbying for pro russian forces in the ukraine without properly registering is, and lying about it is.

It also shows that the Podesta group, who we know is cmpany A or B, did know they were working for those same pro russian forces in the ukraine.

So we know the Podesta group lied and broke the law when they said they didnt register becuase they didnt know they were working for pro russian forces in the ukraine.

No one here has claimed that anyone in the Trump Campaign will be arrested and charged with collusion.

This is a logical fallacy the size of Texas.

What has been said, and what is proven now beyond a single shadow of a doubt, is that the Trump campaign through multiple associates worked directly with Russian agents directed by Vladimir Putin to influence the General Election 2016 and that is called collusion. That fact has been lied about consistently from the top to the bottom of the Trump power structure.

And that, if nothing else, is simply the truth. It is fact. Furthermore, it is a fact that should change American politics forever. Before that can happen, however, the liars and traitors have to be seen for what they are, and they have to be stood up against.

Liars have been allowed to dominate the political discourse in this country for far too long. This must be stopped.

a reply to: Gryphon66

And what has been said is that the democrats did the excat same thing through a third party.

And now all of the sudden its not about crimes"

Hahahahaha! Thats a good one.

How far have we fallen from trump stole the election with the help of russians!

Now on to a more serious manner, I have shown you that the Podesta group lied, and they knew that they were working for pro russian Ukrainian government sources.

Now are you ready to admit this is a serious crime?

a reply to: Grambler

You MIGHT want to read this article buddy:

Both Campaigns Sought Russian Dirt. Clinton's Way Was Legal.

What has surfaced is that the Democrats in this instance played it smarter than Trump's associates. The Clinton campaign had the good sense to pay a contractor for Russian info besmirching the opponent (even if they do eventually get in trouble for failing to disclose it). Trump Jr. and Papadopoulos, on the other hand, may have violated the law by agreeing to receive Russian dirt that was never delivered.

a reply to: DanteGaland

I love how it says "may have violated the law", but doesn't cite which laws. Because he made that up. There's no law that says a foreign national or foreign government can't tell you about something your political opponent did wrong.

You got lied to.

a reply to: DanteGaland

"May have" hilarious.