Breaking: First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation

At least now we have a clear understanding of why Republican Congressmen, Fox News and the RW media, and their minions throughout the internet have been vainly trying to attack Bob Mueller for the last two weeks.

It’s a shallow attempt that will go nowhere of course, but, it does tell us who the players are.

Keep in mind the Trump DOJ APPOINTED Bob Mueller in full awareness of his career, his history, his associations, etc. Mueller was praised as a superior choice by those who are now damning him.

It’s a vain attempt at best, but it shows us who to watch out for.

a reply to: Gryphon66


Who cares about Mueller? Besides wasting money and time, I have no problem with the investigation continuing.

The charges that dropped were unrelated to any Russia "collusion" conspiracy theories, and dealt with actions some of his associates took on behalf of corrupt Ukraine. Something about failure to register as a foreign agent? All are great charges, especially if Manafort & Co. actually broke a law. The meeting you leftists like to talk about (the one to get dirt on Hillary) broke absolutely no laws, as we have freedom of association - even when that association seeks to expose criminal Hillary.

The charges thus far are: money laundering & conspiracy relating to corrupt/junta Ukraine, failure to register as foreign agent (Ukraine) and someone else was hit with lying to Federal agents (which is a crime in and of itself, nothing more nothing less). They were targeted due to massive money laundering and conspiracies relating therein. It also occurred many years ago, long before the Trump campaign (in Manafort's case). Not the President's fault one of his associates happened to be corrupt.

Robert Mueller is a man of integrity, and I have no issue with him personally nor do I question the legitimacy of his investigation. Carry on, I say. In the end, Trump will still be standing tall in the White House.

This investigation is nearing its end (probably), and the little fish/minor crimes they've turned up have nothing to do with President Trump. That is like saying Clinton is a rapist simply because Abedin's husband turned out to be a Pedo.

George Papadopolous, a former foreign policy adviser to President Trump’s campaign, pleaded guilty earlier this month to making false statements to the FBI. Papadopolous, 30, was charged with willfully and knowingly making false statements to FBI agents regarding “the timing, extent and nature of his relationships and interactions with certain foreign nationals whom he understood to have close connections with senior Russian government officials,” according to court documents. Papadopolous was arrested on July 27 and pleaded guilty on Oct. 5.

Fox News

Direct collusion between the Trump Campaign and agents of the Russian Government is established now in court with conviction.

These charges against Manafort and Gates are little more than bargaining chips. The truth will continue to come out and justice will be served ... wherever that goes to Podesta, Flynn, Kutchner and/or some Trumps.

Today is only the beginning of a long process that will reestablish the rule-of-law in regard to these off-the-rails politics.

So long as they also investigate the Clinton and DNC's breaking the law in their own Russia collusion attempt to effect the election outcome, then all is well.

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
So long as they also investigate the Clinton and DNC's breaking the law in their own Russia collusion attempt to effect the election outcome, then all is well.

I wonder if that will ever happen though. After all, the Clintons, Podestas, DNC, and possibly the Obama administration itself were colluding and breaking the law while either Mueller or Comey were in control of the FBI. Blind eye? Or, maybe it just took this long to gather the pieces of the puzzle to finally bring this corrupt bunch of self-serving money-grubbing globalist players to justice!

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

What crime should Clinton’s campaign or the DNC be charged with in this investigation?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Still I ask, where is there collusion? The meeting was never held and was asked for multiple times. I you think end game could Mueller actually be working with Trump? Think about it. You indict two people who are also connected to the head of HRC's campaign and who has been part of the political landscape for decades. Remember, the indictment is about business deals and NOT the campaign.

So Manafort pleads not guilty but gives all of his information regarding Podestas deals and it then leads back to HRC and Obama.

Just a thought....

a reply to: matafuchs

The collision between the Trump campaign and agents of Vladimir Putin really is beyond question at this moment.

As far as where the investigation goes? It should go wherever the evidence leads.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

What crime should Clinton’s campaign or the DNC be charge with in this investigation?

Failing to register as a foreign agent
FEC violations for disclosure of campaign finance sources and their roles
conspiracy to violate FEC laws
conspiracy to violate federal records laws
conspiracy to coverup the deaths of 4 Americans in Libya
destruction of government property (emails)
destruction of government property (cell phones / computers)
conspiracy to destroy government property
violations of the espionage act
money laundering
pay for play scheme
quid pro quo
bribery
lying to congress (perjury)
Uranium one sale
violation of federal law in unmasking US citizens
knowingly using false information in order to obtain fisa warrants (This alone should nullify any prosecutions since it is fruit of the poisonous tree)
Conspiracy to defraud democratic voters by rigging the democratic primary.
Filegate
Travelgate
Chinagate
Clinton university scam
whitewater
pardongate
Cash cows scandal
receiving funds from a front company of Iran's government
DNC accepting donations from foreign nationals.
Clinton receiving funds from foreign nationals.
Defrauding the Haitian government / people of several billion dollars
consistently failing to disclose foreign government donation to their foundation
Peter Paul campaign finance violations
giftgate
Releasing grandjury actions



off the top of my head. If you want more i can provide more.

a reply to: matafuchs

The mindset of the left - they are above the law. When the right does something its illegal. When Clinton / Democrats do it its not a big deal.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: matafuchs

The collision between the Trump campaign and agents of Vladimir Putin really is beyond question at this moment.

As far as where the investigation goes? It should go wherever the evidence leads.

There is no such thing as the crime of "collusion".

I will say the indictments today should worry Clinton and the DNC since they engaged in the same behavior. Going after everyone but Clinton / Democrats will expose the special counsel as the fraud it is.

Also just to remind everyone Trump is not attached to any of the crimes these guys are charged with so you can stop with the collusion crap.

I have not stated that collusion on the part of the Trump campaign with agents of Putin is a crime. It would depend on what exactly happened. Given that multiple members of the campaign lied about collusion, which has landed one in jail ... the matter seems obvious.

a reply to: Xcathdra

What crime did the Clinton campaign or the DNC commit again? What should they be worried about?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: matafuchs

The mindset of the left - they are above the law. When the right does something its illegal. When Clinton / Democrats do it its not a big deal.

Wow
What a piece of garbage

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I have not stated that collusion on the part of the Trump campaign with agents of Putin is a crime. It would depend on what exactly happened. Given that multiple members of the campaign lied about collusion, which has landed one in jail ... the matter seems obvious.

But wait, its ok for you to talk about potential crimes?

Yet looking at those in uranium one make someone a traitor?

Given that the clinton foundation lied and didnt disclose some of the donations they got in Uranium One, it seems obvious there was a crime.

Like pay to play.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I have not stated that collusion on the part of the Trump campaign with agents of Putin is a crime. It would depend on what exactly happened. Given that multiple members of the campaign lied about collusion, which has landed one in jail ... the matter seems obvious.

The "lying about their actions" is a crime.

However there is absolutely no crime of collusion in federal statutes. It does not exist as a prosecutable offense and is constantly repeated by the left to try and make it into something its not in order to keep russia putin and trump in the media.

As for their crimes I already provided the list. The next step would be for you to read it and do some research on your own instead of playing this game of yours... again.

Podesta and Vin Weber are next to be charged....Mercury and Podesta Group

originally posted by: Ares2493
Podesta and Vin Weber are next to be charged....

Tony Podesta resigned from his company today. An interesting turn of events.

Tony Podesta resigns from lobbying firm amid Robert Mueller investigation by Anna Giaritelli | Oct 30, 2017, 1:14 PM

Tony Podesta, founder of the Podesta Group and brother to former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, will resign from his lobbying company in response to an investigation of the firm by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Podesta made the announcement Monday at a company-wide meeting, and informed clients that he would be stepping down.

It's not clear when Podesta's departure will be effective, according to Politico, which first reported the change.

It was reported last week that Mueller had opened a federal investigation into the Democratic-leaning Podesta Group lobbying firm and its founder.

The decision to focus on Podesta was born out of Mueller's probe into whether President Trump's campaign colluded with Russia, which is also looking into former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's finances.

click link for full article..

bold by me.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Names to remember ... Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulos ... absolute proof of the collusion between the Trump Campaign and agents of the Russian Government. No doubt at this point remains. No “oh, but Trump Jr. didn’t actually get any “dirt” on Clinton ... well, there’s no doubt at this point. The evidence is preponderous.

Those who have denied this fact for months now need to reorient toward the truth ... because more is coming.

You're taking quite a few liberties here.

Here’s The Indictment Against Paul Manafort And His Associate, Rick Gates

12 counts... but no collusion. You also conveniently ignore the fact that these charges are from years ago before he even worked for the Trump campaign, but while he was lobbying for Ukraine and Russia for the Podesta Group.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Lying is a crime? Mr. Trump's in trouble then.

Did someone at the Clinton Campaign or the DNC lie under oath?

You already provided the list? I don't usually read your posts, sorry.

Surely, you have an answer though, since you've already posted, right? Just a quick list then? What are the crimes committed by the Clinton Camp/DNC in this regard?