Breaking: First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcathdra

You have no idea who Steeles information came from. It would seem more logical that it's citizens who are against the current regime in russia. Why would the government jeopardize themselves? Or tell on themselves lol .
More sloppy logic.

We know where it came from because he told us.

High level Kremlin agents.

Again, I have yet to see you defending trumps teams connections with russians.

How do we know the Kremlin agents they were allegedly meeting with weren't agents that who are against the current regime in russia?

For some reason Trumps team connections with any Russia goverment people = collusion and horrible.

Dems pay to get dirt on Trump from Russian government people = Well maybe these kremlin officials are actually against the Russian government but its ok.

What a ridiculous double standard.

a reply to: Grambler

Such supreme misunderstanding.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcathdra

You have no idea who Steeles information came from. It would seem more logical that it's citizens who are against the current regime in russia. Why would the government jeopardize themselves? Or tell on themselves lol .
More sloppy logic.

We know where it came from because he told us.

High level Kremlin agents.

Again, I have yet to see you defending trumps teams connections with russians.

How do we know the Kremlin agents they were allegedly meeting with weren't agents that who are against the current regime in russia?

For some reason Trumps team connections with any Russia goverment people = collusion and horrible.

Dems pay to get dirt on Trump from Russian government people = Well maybe these kremlin officials are actually against the Russian government but its ok.

What a ridiculous double standard.

The size of the hoops they're jumping through on this one are legendary.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Such supreme misunderstanding.

The only misunderstanding I have is not understanding how on one hand you can scream about Trumps people colluding with kremlin agents to get dirt on Hillary.

But on the other hand when democrats pay for dirt on trump from Kremlin agents, you then say maybe these Kremlin agents are ok and actually against the russian government.

Actually I do think I understand why you are claiming this...

This is going to be yuuuge judging by the activity of the Kremlin posse on ATS this week. It's been a while since I've seen so many threads about Hillary on ATS and they usually pop up right before a scandal that is linked to Trump.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
This is going to be yuuuge judging by the activity of the Kremlin posse on ATS this week. It's been a while since I've seen so many threads about Hillary on ATS and they usually pop up right before a scandal that is linked to Trump.

The brainwashing is strong with this one. Anything that shatters the false worldview is Kremlin linked.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
This is going to be yuuuge judging by the activity of the Kremlin posse on ATS this week. It's been a while since I've seen so many threads about Hillary on ATS and they usually pop up right before a scandal that is linked to Trump.

Strange, the supposedly "Kremlin" people on ATS you are talking about are discussing how bad it was for hillarys team to collude with Kremlin agents.

And you I guess "anti Kremlin" people are defending colluding with the Kremlin to get dirt on Trump.

Very Orwellian of you.

The Peegate Dossier was assembled by a citizen of the UK pointedly not associated with Putin's Russian government who was paid to do so by an American company. Did Steele talk to Russian people? We don't know for sure, but it's likely.

Does that mean that Steele did the same thing that Trump Jr. Manafort and Kushner did? Not even close. They met with representatives of the Russian GOVERNMENT at the direction of the Russian Premier, er, Prime Minister.

The approval of the Uranium One/Rosatom merger was decided by ten Cabinet-level members on CFIUS. It was not decided by Hillary (or Bill) Clinton individually nor is there any evidence they tried to sway anyone's opinion. The alleged connection to an FBI investigation into "bribery and corruption" is non-existent. The investigation was directed at one individual associated with an American-based subsidiary of Rosatom and the investigation did not conclude until 2014, FOUR YEARS after the merger was approved.

Further, there is an implication in the midst of the pattern of lies that is being pimped by certain groups that Bill Clinton got a "pay-off" of $500,000 for speaking fees.

He's a shocker ... the Clinton's have made a LOT of money from talking to people since Bill Clinton left the Presidency. In fact, from 2001 until May 2015 (which Hillary Clinton announced her candidacy) the two had made over $156 MILLION dollars from speaking all around the world. The average price for a Clinton speech is about $216,000. Additionally, they talk to a lot of BANKS ...

The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least $1.8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks.

Citiation

Actually, Bill Clinton's price has gone up over time, and it is currently reported that he makes an average of $750,000 per speech. Interestingly, this is one area in which Donald Trump actually did beat Hillary Clinton, as he has charged as much as 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS per speech to speak to organizations. Rudy Guilani makes about $9 MILLION a year from speeches. Ben Bernake (remember him?) makes from $200-400K PER SPEECH.

Business Insider

We can all look forward to an unending cavalcade of "investigations" from the cuckolded Republican Congress. They've made a calculation sometime in October, when it became known that Mueller was bringing indictments very soon to cater to Trump's base and try to give him and his associates cover.

They know that they are coated in the stink of his failing Administration, so they've decided to wallow in it.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The Peegate Dossier was assembled by a citizen of the UK pointedly not associated with Putin's Russian government who was paid to do so by an American company. Did Steele talk to Russian people? We don't know for sure, but it's likely.

Does that mean that Steele did the same thing that Trump Jr. Manafort and Kushner did? Not even close. They met with representatives of the Russian GOVERNMENT at the direction of the Russian Premier, er, Prime Minister.

What the dems did is differnet the don jr.

PAYING to get dirt from actual and not fake HIGH LEVEL RUSSIAN OFFICIALS and getting ACTUAL DIRT that is then ACTUALLY USED is collusion and possibly treason. It was the democrats that set this standard, yet now they dont want to be held to the same one.

And we know by steeles admission that his source was high level kremlin officials.

The approval of the Uranium One/Rosatom merger was decided by ten Cabinet-level members on CFIUS. It was not decided by Hillary (or Bill) Clinton individually nor is there any evidence they tried to sway anyone's opinion. The alleged connection to an FBI investigation into "bribery and corruption" is non-existent. The investigation was directed at one individual associated with an American-based subsidiary of Rosatom and the investigation did not conclude until 2014, FOUR YEARS after the merger was approved.

Russians were bribing people, Bill meets with putin, bill gets money, foundation gets money, podesta group lobbies for russia, and the sale russia wanted goes through. All of this is proven fact.

None of what you said at all addresses any of the facts outlined.

Many of the CFIUS members were big hillary allies and had connections to the foundation.

Regardless, the implication here is that if multiple people are involved in deciding something, then its impossible for one of them to be bribed, which is absurd.

Further, there is an implication in the midst of the pattern of lies that is being pimped by certain groups that Bill Clinton got a "pay-off" of $500,000 for speaking fees.

He's a shocker ... the Clinton's have made a LOT of money from talking to people since Bill Clinton left the Presidency. In fact, from 2001 until May 2015 (which Hillary Clinton announced her candidacy) the two had made over $156 MILLION dollars from speaking all around the world. The average price for a Clinton speech is about $216,000. Additionally, they talk to a lot of BANKS ...

So Bill happens to meet Putin around the time of this vote, and two weeks later just happens to get paid half a million by a Russian state bank, and you say thats just what he does so no need to look at it?

Ridiculous.

By the same token, Trump is a business man. So no need to look into business relationships he had with russians, cause that is just what he does.

What a joke.

No announcement to flush people out. This is not a drug cartel in hiding. It was the keep the news cycle on this investigation and not real news. That's all.

For over a year and a half the media constantly told you HRC was going to win. How many 'scandals' were going to 'end it all'..

Like I said before. I huge waste of money and manpower over nothing that should be used to push our country forward.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
We can all look forward to an unending cavalcade of "investigations" from the cuckolded Republican Congress. They've made a calculation sometime in October, when it became known that Mueller was bringing indictments very soon to cater to Trump's base and try to give him and his associates cover.

They know that they are coated in the stink of his failing Administration, so they've decided to wallow in it.

And I assume then that you are admitting that any arguments you will have against these investigations is you deflecting from investigating possible corruption, and that would make you a traitor that must be fought at every turn.

Thats your standard, right?

Let's find out about Christopher Steele, eh?

... Christopher Steele, ex-Cambridge Union president, ex-M.I.6 Moscow field agent, ex-head of M.I.6’s Russia desk, ex-adviser to British Special Forces on capture-or-kill ops in Afghanistan, and a 52-year-old father with four children, a new wife, three cats, and a sprawling brick-and-wood suburban palace in Surrey, received in his second-floor office at Orbis a transatlantic call from an old client.

Vanity Fair

We first found out about Mr. Steele in October of 2016, in an interview with Mother Jones magazine that was done anonymously due to security concerns at the time. What else did we find out at that time?

In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump’s dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project’s financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.)

In short, we have known who paid Chris Steele for his opposition research for A YEAR. Read that again, we have known that Steele's work was paid for first by Republicans and then by Democrats since October of 2016.

Steele is not some random individual that was unknown to American intelligence and law enforcement.

In fact ...

He regularly consults with US government agencies on Russian matters, and near the start of July on his own initiative—without the permission of the US company that hired him—he sent a report he had written for that firm to a contact at the FBI, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates, who asked not to be identified. (He declines to identify the FBI contact.) The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was “sufficiently serious” to share with the FBI.

Again, the Mother Jones article was published in OCTOBER 2016.

The Vanity Fair article was published in MARCH 2017.

Read the truth for yourselves. You will very easily see who the liars are in this situation.

I encourage people to LOOK AT THE FACTS and DECIDE for themselves. Apply critical thinking rather than political preferences and beliefs.

Ask this question: who is desperately trying to cobble together every possible detail into an elaborate scheme that has no basis in reality? Ask further who regularly misleads and misquotes individuals in their attempts to give cover to liars and traitors.

Ask yourself why four or five long-dead fringe theories were all resurrected the very week that we found out that INDICTMENTS are coming from Mueller's investigation.

Put your tin-foil hats back on, in short. Stop letting any side of the professional media (and their little minions on the internet) convince you to ignore reality.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Read that again, we have known that Steele's work was paid for first by Republicans and then by Democrats since October of 2016.

You might want to follow your own advice.

From your source:

(Before the former spy was retained, the project’s financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.)

Steele was not hired by Fusion GPS until after the republicans stopped and then the democrats started paying for it.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Then why did DNC continue to lie for A YEAR about not paying for it?

You also again lie about the RNC paying steele.

As has been shown over and over and over again The washington Free Beacon (who we now know was the republican source paying Fusion GPS) stopped paaying BEFORE Steele ever came on.

Either you know this, but you keep lying for some reason, or you are so ignoraant of the isssue that you should probably read into it a little before calling anyone a traitor who is discussing facts.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I encourage people to LOOK AT THE FACTS and DECIDE for themselves. Apply critical thinking rather than political preferences and beliefs.

Ask this question: who is desperately trying to cobble together every possible detail into an elaborate scheme that has no basis in reality? Ask further who regularly misleads and misquotes individuals in their attempts to give cover to liars and traitors.

Ask yourself why four or five long-dead fringe theories were all resurrected the very week that we found out that INDICTMENTS are coming from Mueller's investigation.

Put your tin-foil hats back on, in short. Stop letting any side of the professional media (and their little minions on the internet) convince you to ignore reality.

Well show me where I lied?

I showed that in the very post you made before this one, you lied about the RNC paying steele.

So who is lying again.

We just found out the DNC paid for the dossier that used Kremlin sources this week.

We just found out that the FBI knew in 2009 that there was criminality with some players in the Uranium one deal, and that an informant claims to know that Russians were trying to bribe the Clintons but was told by Obamas doj he couldn't testify to congress.

We just found out that Mueller may be looking into the Podesta groups connections to Manafort.

We just we found out that the former prime minister of Qatar admits that Qatar and the US basically started the Syrian war by funding groups like al nursa to attack Assad.

All of this was from this week.

Yet somehow it makes someone a traitor to want to discuss these things.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Gryphon66

Read that again, we have known that Steele's work was paid for first by Republicans and then by Democrats since October of 2016.

You might want to follow yoyr own advice.

From your source:

(Before the former spy was retained, the project’s financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.)

Steele was not hired by Fusion GPS until after the republicans stopped and then the democrats started paying for it.

Well good job following his advice. You should look at the facts, and ask yourself who is lying.

Ironically, we can see from the very previous post he made exactly who is lying.

Who did Steele get his information from again? From the Vanity Fair article linked above ...

And so, as Steele threw himself into his new mission, he could count on an army of sources whose loyalty and information he had bought and paid for over the years. There was no safe way he could return to Russia to do the actual digging; the vengeful F.S.B. would be watching him closely. But no doubt he had a working relationship with knowledgeable contacts in London and elsewhere in the West, from angry émigrés to wheeling-and-dealing oligarchs always eager to curry favor with a man with ties to the Secret Service, to political dissidents with well-honed axes to grind.

And, perhaps most promising of all, he had access to the networks of well-placed Joes—to use the jargon of his former profession—he’d directed from his desk at London Station, assets who had their eyes and ears on the ground in Russia.

VF

Keep that in mind as you see the lying acrobatics being performed with the phrases "Russian agents" and "Kremlin agents" here.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Gryphon66

Read that again, we have known that Steele's work was paid for first by Republicans and then by Democrats since October of 2016.

You might want to follow yoyr own advice.

From your source:

(Before the former spy was retained, the project’s financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.)

Steele was not hired by Fusion GPS until after the republicans stopped and then the democrats started paying for it.

You make an EXCELLENT point! I did misspeak. The effort was paid for by Republicans before Steele was employed.

Now, care to comment on the actual POINT MADE? We've known for a year that the Democrats paid for the research.

Kinda takes the wind out of your "gotcha" attempt, eh?