Why the Dossier may be the most serious political scandal the US has ever seen.

a reply to: Grambler

How does that make me wrong? You okay?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

How does that make me wrong? You okay?

Wow.

You said no one but fusion GPS paid Steele.

This evidence says the fbi did.

This couldn't be more simple, you are wrong.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: introvert

That's funny, because I remember you arguing just the opposite in another thread when you wanted it to apply to Trump Jr.

Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections.

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

let's see if partisanship has fully eroded brain cells.

Read the above you posted.

Now tell me the difference between:

Fusion GPS being PAID by an American GOP Nominee to do opposition research.
Fusion GPS contracting with/Paying a UK Private Contractor to gather intelligence.
Then after the GOP Nominee exits the race, SELLING the work-progress to an American lawyer representing HRC Campaign and DNC.

vs.

GOLDSTONE:
"The Crown prosecutor of Russia [..] offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father."
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump"

DON JR.:
" if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. "

Which one of those is a campaign contribution or donation?

Which one is paid for work product?

Which one of those is an American Research Company contracting work to Private Citizens?

Which one of those is the "The Crown prosecutor of Russia" offering "sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump"?

I know it's hard to cognate through the partisan haze, but your brain will thank you for it someday.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Never would have thought an ex president would tell an AG to have the FBI stand down either so chasing rainbows the last 8 years unless it was a hate crime against blacks or Muslims sounds about right.

a reply to: Sillyolme


There has been very, very little verified. Some has even been proven to be lies (Cohen?)

Furthermore, even if all accusations are true, it is still irrelevant.

Besides, time to focus on the Democrat/Hillary/Podesta connections & crimes that our DOJ would actually consider prosecuting.

Democrat collusion with a hostile traitorous misogynistic hateful anti-Islam foreign hostile traitor power of Russia's Russian RussiaGate!! (just thought I'd follow their lead and levy as many unsubstantiated and bad-sounding buzzwords as I could fit in one lung-full of air)

a reply to: GuidedKill

HAHA you think you're explaining something to me or anyone on ATS?!?! Look around, you're the minority.

I know full well that I am a minority.

Yet I still stand my ground. It's not hard to do.

Just about everyone you come across has to point out your inaccurate statements and disagrees with you.

Sure. Whatever makes you feel better.

On another note no one directly called you anything....However I do like that you automatically thought I was talking about you.

Well, you were directly responding to me. If you did not direct it towards me, why did you say it?

Just to be a douche to others not involved in our conversation?

That says a lot...

Yes, it does.

It says that you lack the balls to be up front with those you wish to insult.

a reply to: soberbacchus


You are intentionally attempting to distort the truth and wiggle out of the Democrat crimes narrative.

The British spook was hired AFTER DNC operatives picked up the research. Standard OPRESEARCH is one thing, but this is far above and beyond. This material was used to illegally obtain FISA warrants and spy on political adversaries making the FBI a tool of the Obama/Clinton syndicates.

They might just get hit with the RICO!

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: soberbacchus

Yes as said above, carter page and manafort had previously been under surveillance, and then those warrants ran out.

They were reupped after they were connected to Trumps campaign.

No..They were re-upped after

A) Intelligence agencies got reports that Carter Page met with Russian operatives while he was in Moscow. These were human intel reports. The Dossier filled in the blanks as to what those meetings potentially pertained to.

B) On Manafort the FISA warrant was re-upped after a Ukrainian journalist released the internal Payola ledger showing Manafort receiving millions in hidden pay-outs from the former corrupt Ukrainian leader who worked with Putin.

Oh nooss you fell for fake news the whole Ukraine thing was fake.

www.bloomberg.com...

The ledger with his name showing payments was not fake? That is evidence and your article does not dispute that.

What Ukraine did was decide since

“There were no Manafort signatures on any page of this ledger,”

They would drop the investigation. That is silly.

Why? You might ask?

The news follows last week’s visit by Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko to Washington, where he met Trump in the White House.

Hilarious.

Ukraine needs the US desperately. With Trump as POTUS, there will be no Ukrainian prosecution of Manafort.

Mueller fortunately doesn't give a sh87.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Sillyolme


There has been very, very little verified. Some has even been proven to be lies (Cohen?)

Even that has not been "Proven" to be false.

There is a suggestion via leaks that a different Cohen was in Prague. Without doxing anyone, Trump had a NY law firm on the payroll that employed a different "Michael Cohen" whose profile includes international affairs and negotiation.

Will be interested in what Mueller concludes in the coming months.

a reply to: soberbacchus


Ukraine needs something from us alright: an invasion to restore the lawful government Nuland/Podesta/Pyatty deposed.

Ukraine deserves nothing from us. Let them keep attacking Russia without us backing them, see how long chocolate boy lasts then.

a reply to: soberbacchus


Same here. Can't wait to get on with our global anti-terrorism alliance with Russia. We could learn a thing or two from the Spetznaz about properly dealing with domestic insurgencies.

originally posted by: introvert
The campaign/party hired a US company to provide a product.

...which if the DNC/HRC knew of Fushion GPS' use of Steele would put them squarely on the hook. Clearly, that needs official investigation. The fact that they lied about and tried to hide the payments for the effort, doesn't look good for them.

Meanwhile, Fushion GPS is directly on the hook.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: soberbacchus


We could learn a thing or two from the Spetznaz about properly dealing with domestic insurgencies.

Politics aside, I had more respect for Spetznaz in the late 80's and early 90's.
Their competency has significantly eroded in the last 20 years. Half drunk and trigger happy.

a reply to: dragonridr

Carter Pages meetings with Rosneft oligarch Igor Sechin and Kremlin official Igor Devyekin have been verified.

a reply to: loam

...which if the DNC/HRC knew of Fushion GPS' use of Steele would put them squarely on the hook

Well, at least you can see the difference between this issue and Trump's. Others are not willing and continue to push false equivalencies.

But I wonder, on the hook for what, exactly?

Meanwhile, Fushion GPS is directly on the hook.

For what?

a reply to: introvert

Such a simple fact and for what ever reason keeps getting pushed aside. The whole middle man is comp!estoy removed from the equation. Amazing huh... ??

a reply to: soberbacchus


I can't disagree with you there sober

I have always been enamored with certain foreign militaries and their special operations forces. If nothing else, it is cool to see how we compare in certain areas with other nations.

originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: introvert
The campaign/party hired a US company to provide a product.

...which if the DNC/HRC knew of Fushion GPS' use of Steele would put them squarely on the hook.

How?
Paying for work product is not the same as accepting campaign donations or contributions from a foreign national?
Certainly all campaigns employ some firm that employs foreign nationals?
Hell Mar-Largo employs a tonnage of foreign nationals and the Trump campaign paid them millions?
Paid work is not campaign contributions or donations.

Meanwhile, Fushion GPS is directly on the hook.

My question for Fusion GPS is why they didn't turn over the Dossier to DNC or HRC.
Multiple sources and everyone asked from the HRC and DNC campaigns have said they knew nothing about the dossier until it was published.

There is a question to be asked. Why Fusion GPS sat on it forcing Steele to turn it over on his own to FBI and intelligence contacts.