Harvey Weinstein Has Me Thinking

originally posted by: Willtell

Sometimes I really wonder do woman realize the lustful nature of men.


Do they realize the affect they have on a man?

Right?

I say we force them to don apparel that would basically cover them from head to toe with only an eye slit. You can never be too cautious with females, saucy minxes that they are.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: fiverx313

Okay, but I'm not talking about murderers, okay?

I'm talking about serial molesters who use their positions to molest women.

If you are being actively raped by a stranger, that is a different matter indeed.

okay... but how do you know whether or not that serial molestor will turn violent? he's already using psychological tactics.

originally posted by: angeldoll
I agree, but you know what? I listened to that audio yesterday, and a woman was saying "I don't want to go with you. Nooo. You made me uncomfortable yesterday. Nooo, I don't want to go", etc. etc. The exchange went on for several minutes. She was practically cooing "noooo".

You do realize that she was trying to get him to admit what he did so the NYPD SVU could collect evidence of his behavior.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: fiverx313

Weinstein is a creep, no question. I was more addressing the OP.

okay... but you said

It's the quandary of the single man. How do you know it will not be welcome until you try?

there's a lot of ground between making a pass at someone you think is attractive, and repeatedly trying and negotiating and wearing them down. addressing this kind of issue as 'oh no, how will single men know if they can do things or not' kind of minimizes the abuse that goes on.

the type of guy who does the stuff the OP describes is fine at reading signals and knows when advances are unwelcome -- he just feels entitled to try and turn that no into a yes, however reluctant that yes is, or even if it's a resignation to the inevitable that feels a little less terrible than being 'actively' raped.

making this into a man problem about how to know if your advance is welcome or not is kinda beside the point. just my two cents. i'm not trying to come for you specifically, i just see this canard come up on a lot in relation to this topic.

a reply to: angeldoll

That's exactly what I said in my original post. If the advances are welcome, all good. If advances aren't welcome, harassment.

Two of my favorite videos that pretty much says it all.

a reply to: fiverx313

I'm not trying to make it a man issue at all, I'm just bringing a guy's perspective. Or at least this guy's perspective. I've been married for 22 years. It was still the 1900's the last time I made a pass at someone. It's a people problem. Not male nor female. Doing what Weinstein did is just gross and if someone pulled that stuff on one of my daughters I would sort him out. The real question I guess that needs to be answered is where is that line? The problem is that it seems to be different for everyone.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: fiverx313

I'm not trying to make it a man issue at all, I'm just bringing a guy's perspective. Or at least this guy's perspective. I've been married for 22 years. It was still the 1900's the last time I made a pass at someone. It's a people problem. Not male nor female. Doing what Weinstein did is just gross and if someone pulled that stuff on one of my daughters I would sort him out. The real question I guess that needs to be answered is where is that line? The problem is that it seems to be different for everyone.

i guess i'm confused here. what are the kinds of things that you think might be so close to the line that it's hard to tell?

a reply to: MRuss

I don't believe you.

a reply to: fiverx313

You'd sort him out, eh? Do you think you'd be helping your daughters by being imprisoned for your vigilante actions too? I find it hard to believe that the claims of the OP are taken at face value.

originally posted by: hombero
a reply to: fiverx313

You'd sort him out, eh? Do you think you'd be helping your daughters by being imprisoned for your vigilante actions too? I find it hard to believe that the claims of the OP are taken at face value.

Why do you have a problem with what he said?
I suppose you would just quietly get on with watching your kid suffer?

Id take jail over not significantly changing the life of someone who hurt my kids like that, but then I am a normal bloke not some idiot.

As for your remarks to the OP what reason do you have to doubt her?

a reply to: fiverx313

I'll give an example: You flirt with a woman and she responds in a way that is neither a flirtatious response nor a rejection. You continue this for a time with a similar response each time. You eventually ask her out. If she says yes, then all good. If she says no and goes home and posts on FB that some creep keeps hitting on her it becomes harassment.

Think of Jim on the Office. His continual stalking of Pam was creepy as hell. But the writers and watchers of the show thought it was romantic. (I know it's fiction, I'm just trying to point to something many would be familiar with).

a reply to: SprocketUK

Id take jail over not significantly changing the life of someone who hurt my kids like that, but then I am a normal bloke not some idiot.

Be careful with statements like that, and don't ever let your children hear you say that.

There have been many cases were children were being abused and they didn't speak up because they feared the actions of their father or family members. They feared losing their father or family by death or jail, more than they feared the abuse.

When you tell your child you would hurt or kill someone if they hurt them. They usually believe you, and would be every hesitant to tell you if they were being abused.

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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Willtell

Sometimes I really wonder do woman realize the lustful nature of men.


Do they realize the affect they have on a man?

Right?

I say we force them to don apparel that would basically cover them from head to toe with only an eye slit. You can never be too cautious with females, saucy minxes that they are.

Hey women aren't that different from you men, we follow the same path, but with different rules.

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

Okay, we need to clear some things up here...

In all of the instances I mentioned in my OP, this was inappropriate behavior on the part of the men.

I mentioned situations that took me out of the equation: I was simply there. I was simply walking to school or in school or working or driving or babysitting.

In these situations for a man to insinuate that I was at that place in time to do anything else but work or babysit or interview or I needed a lift----just plain BS.

That's the rub here.

Not every instance when a female is in your presence is an opportunity. That's the takeaway here.

We're not alive to make you happy or soothe your wild biology. We're just working, or babysitting, or frigging walking to school.

You have a brain. And you need to use it.

We have the ability to block your biological urges and think things through.

a reply to: hombero

Well, sorry to hear that you doubt my sincere attempt at expressing myself---in what was an interesting but confusing time in my life.

What is it that you don't believe?

The Bill Cosby story? Through the years in my career I went on to meet a lot more interesting people than Bill Cosby! Journalists get to meet all kinds of people. I've hung out with Shirley MacLaine, partied with Rick James, interviewed Ethel Kennedy, and met Carly Simon at her store on Martha's Vineyard for an article.

Your belief in me---and who or what I say I am--does not undo me.

I could care less.

a reply to: MRuss

IMO, an adult hitting on a teenager at anytime is out of bounds. But my point remains, if a high school student can't hit on another high school student at school or on the way to school then high school kids would rarely date. So it goes back to wether or not the person making the advance was someone the woman wanted to make the advance.

a reply to: silo13

I love you for posting your story.

Thank you.

You have suffered way more than I have; in fact after reading your story I almost feel foolish for posting.

Thank you for telling us. Thank you for being part of the conversation.

a reply to: MRuss

At least you were able to learn, and avoid the worst situations! Far too many predators out there, though, and yeah, they do select types. Blonde....know the feeling! People treat you differently.